FTND (00:50)
So Victoria, thank you so much for being here with us today. We’re so grateful for your time and excited for our audience to get to hear the perspective that you have to offer on this topic. So ⁓ as we kind of dive in, can you just start by telling me a little bit about what life looks like for you and who you are?

Victoria (01:07)
Absolutely, no thank you, Natale. And I do just want to take the time as well to say thank you so much. I really appreciate the opportunity to share my story. ⁓ I really respect what you guys do a lot. So yeah, this is really an incredible opportunity for me. So thank you. ⁓ But yeah, so a little bit about me. Yeah, Victoria, I’m from Melbourne, Australia, 26. And I just recently left working for an OnlyFans agency that’s… ⁓

My background before that is in startups ⁓ and you know, I guess business and sales and all those things, which kind of led me down an interesting path. ⁓ So now my life kind of looks like talking about my experiences there, everything that happened and just try my best to educate people and bring, you know, the realities to what the industry actually is. So that’s what I do every day.

FTND (01:58)
Yeah, and we’re so grateful for you for anyone who doesn’t know what only fans is which believe it or not There are people in this day and age who are unfamiliar with it. Can you start by just explaining what it is?

Victoria (02:10)
Yeah, absolutely. So OnlyFans was created back in 2016, I’m pretty sure. And the whole point of it was to kind of decentralize, like creativity and make it more so in a way that you can put up whatever you feel ⁓ resonates the best with you. And then you can have paid subscriptions for it and everything like that. And then with that, also put on pornography. And so now the platform’s just really, really blown up. It’s not like a creative platform, but it’s actually just a

the new era of how you can sell porn.

FTND (02:43)
What perception did you have of OnlyFans and what was the perceptions that your peers had kind of at the time that you were getting into this space?

Victoria (02:51)
Yeah, so for me, my understanding was quite limited as well of OnlyFans. You hear rumors of silly things like, I think people just sell their feet on there or, you know, you don’t have to do bad content. Like girls can just sell bikini photos. And I guess it’s so oversaturated on social media that, every second girl’s an OnlyFans creator. So I didn’t really know what it was. It was like this enigma platform. And then the people in my world,

So it was actually a close friend that started the agency and close people in her world were already in the industry and were quite big here in Australia in OnlyFans. So my closest circle was I guess saying this is okay. My assumption was there’s girls that come from low social economic backgrounds. Now they seem to have money. Therefore I see it all over social media. I don’t really know what it is, but it has to be a good thing.

was kind of my perception coming into it.

FTND (03:52)
Right, it was just so normalized, it sounds like, for you and kind of your circle of influence. How did you connect with that agency? You mentioned your friends started it. But can you describe how the agency was structured, how it worked, how you kind of, what your involvement in that looked like?

Victoria (04:08)
Yeah, absolutely. basically, for the agency that I worked at, ⁓ there was three elements to it. And so the first element is obviously OnlyFans management. So the whole point of an OnlyFans agency is once a girl gets to a certain level in her account, she no longer can facilitate all the subscribers. So basically what happens is a girl gets a platform, there’s people that will pay to be on her platform.

And she can’t sit there and just say she has 10,000 people, talk to 10,000 people all at once, all different time zones and facilitate that. So she outsources that. So then what an agency does is it puts on a chatter, which is typically someone from a third world country. And they imitate the girl to continue to make sales on the account. And then from there, we just help to be the middleman, I guess you could say in a polite term.

to make sure that the account is healthy and that the girl is doing her content requirements. So that’s, I guess, aspect number one of an agency is OnlyFans management. ⁓ Aspect number two is what I came into the agency for. So my close personal friend has knew me since I was 13. So knew me very, very well, knew my background and what my strengths were. So they wanted me to come into the agency to help build the marketing division. So that’s aspect number two.

So you need to bring people to the platform. You need to be making sure that you have a constant cycle of subscribers. So the way that you do that is you advertise on social media. So my role was to make sure that the girls had TikTok accounts, Instagram accounts, that they were doing very specific curated content. And the whole purpose of that curated content was to be like as provocative and suggestive as possible with trending sounds and trending ⁓ music to funnel that through to OnlyFans.

And then aspect number three is recruitment. And so that’s when you would scout the internet and you would look for girls with like specific requirements. Are they already posting provocative pictures? How many followers do they have? And then you just cold message them and hope that they would either join the agency or they’ll join the OnlyFans platform to join your agency. So that’s kind of everything that was involved in the agency I worked at.

FTND (06:28)
Yeah, and with your role specifically, what was the work that you were doing?

Victoria (06:33)
Yep. So for me, when I came into the agency, as I said, I was doing all the marketing. So that was, you would get a girl that was recently in the agency. You do an onboarding call with her. So basically you call her up and you hype her up to do marketing. So you’d be like, um, you know, babe, like we’re going to get you a bunch of Tik TOK accounts. We’re going to get you a bunch of Instagram accounts and this is what you need to do. So you’ll have on Tik TOK three to five separate.

Instagram, I mean, TikTok accounts. And every single day you need to be posting at least three videos on those accounts. And so it’s three fresh videos across five accounts. So that’s 15 videos a day. And so from there, you needed to make sure that you had like a really strong funneling system. So it would go from TikTok to Instagram to your link to OnlyFans. And so my role and responsibility was to make sure that the girls were doing the requirements.

that all the links were working. Did anyone get ⁓ banned? Did we have to get a new page up? Were they, we were posting the reels on Instagram ⁓ and all the social media requirements. And then you get into the dark web stuff, which is like the fake Reddit accounts, ⁓ know, proxies, servers, VPN, Snapchats, dating apps. Like the list goes on and on truly for how people market girls on OnlyFans, but they were the main ones that we were doing.

FTND (07:57)
Yeah. Can you speak a little to some of those additional platforms, specifically like Snapchat and others that people might be a little more familiar with, but not realize how OnlyFans marketing is happening through those platforms?

Victoria (08:09)
Yeah. So we were starting to look at Snapchat, but didn’t really get into it and understand it. So the ones that we were looking at was Twitter and Reddit. And so on Reddit, they, there’s this thing called, ⁓ not safe for work. And so what not safe for work means, ⁓ just, yeah, for people that I guess don’t know, means porn. ⁓ it’s not safe for work content. ⁓ and so what we would be doing is on Reddit and Twitter, you can post whatever you want.

And so what that would mean is that you can market girls in a way more ⁓ full on way. So, but to be able to do that, you need to make sure that you have all these requirements that align with the social media platforms. So where you need to have fake accounts, they’re called aged accounts. And so you go on like Telegram and find these weird groups. We were talking to people from the Ukraine, from Germany, like all white.

I’ll start to have these things called like VPNs and proxies, which is basically fake internet addresses to have these fake accounts. So then you could put the girls into these groups and again, it just expose as much of their content as possible. So with things, it’s all encompassing dating apps, Snapchat, Instagram, whatever you’re being softly pressured and softly manipulated by these very intentional companies that are wanting to saturate the market with sexualized content to

Number one, desensitize you so you see more, but then also to evoke emotions in you so then you’ll find where you can see more, if that makes sense.

FTND (09:45)
Yeah, it’s essentially product marketing, but with people, basically. Yep. can you speak a little more to what the process was of recruitment or trying to get women to join the agency?

Victoria (10:00)
So what we would do is basically sit on TikTok and Instagram. And we had the for you pages and your Instagram page, like algorithmed. So it would pop up with just basically girls. And so you’d sit there and you’ll scroll through and you’ll see a girl that you’re like, ⁓ she’s pretty and she’s posting. That’s the most important thing. Are they already posting provocative content? Because if they are,

that means that they either have an OnlyFans or if they don’t, that they would be likely to do OnlyFans. So that is what you look for. And then you click on their profile and you’d have a look at how many followers they have. And so if a girl had, you know, less than 10,000 potentially, it could mean that she’s in the too hard basket. And then if she had more than, you know, a million to 2 million, it also means that

She probably is making enough money that either she’s happy with her agency, hypothetically, if she has an OnlyFans, or she’s got such a big following, she wouldn’t want to do something like OnlyFans. So you have a variance. And then from there, what you would do is you would either message from the OnlyFans agency’s Instagram account, because it was like a modeling agency account. And we would do, you know, extravagant parties. We would have dinners. We already had some… ⁓

are known influences that were owners at the agency as well. So you would see that, you know, this account messaged you and they think you’re cute and you’re like, my gosh, whoa, like, look how cool they are. Or if they really wanted a girl, they would actually get the two owners that were already in the industry to message the girls. So then again, it’s like this cloud of wow, blah, blah, message to me, like I must be special. And so from there, what you would do is you would send a cold message and the message would be like, hey,

saw your profile, saw your OnlyFans, love your vibe. Have you ever thought about representation or, you know, tailor it to that? And then you’d want to get the girl on a call. And so again, the call would be the three owners of the agency, either one of them, all female. And they would just do anything that they could to basically convince you that coming to the agency is a sisterhood. You’ll have this elite life. We do these luxury parties. So come hang was basically the recruitment process.

the only fans agency, the owners, all of that. You could say they were nice to the girls. Of course they’re nice to the girls. You know, they’re not sitting here. They’re not abusing them. They’re not belittling them. ⁓ and all of that, they’re encouraging, you know, it’s a girl’s power and all, but what are you doing? You’re leading people and encouraging and coercing people to do porn. So are you like, it’s grooming it’s predatory.

⁓ you know, there was a one girl who was super young. And so the only one of the owners was like, I want to personally take this girl and build her up because I see potential in her. Like if that’s not like the most cook thing ever got her out of modeling contracts, all this. So what can you expect from an agency? You can expect them to love you and to be nice to you and kind to you as long as you make them money.

And as long as you are useful to them.

then mate, don’t worry, happy days. But how, ⁓ what’s that thing called where like you become obsessed with the person that kidnaps you? Munchausen or Stockholm? Like a sick, twisted Stockholm syndrome because you’re feeling safe with the people that are exploiting you and abusing you and abusing your body. And it’s not traditional abuse. It’s not abuses in like we’re hurting them. But of course we’re abusing these girls and we’re manipulating them and

FTND (13:24)
Thank you.

Victoria (13:41)
we’re grooming them to think that what they’re doing is okay for the only benefit of us making money. So I think that, you know, that’s, that’s a really great question and a really big point. if just because people might be being nice to you or whatever, like think about what, ⁓ you know, for young girls, ⁓ that’s so valuable. If you’re going into this industry and you’re meeting all these people and you’re starting to post these photos and get these messages and like,

Just take a second and think about that before you get caught up in all of it and everything like that. And my gosh, I’m meeting all these new people and all these new friends. But like, Hey, wait a minute. If I stopped posting that content or if I didn’t agree to do that with these people still be my friends. And if that answer is no, then literally block them, delete them, run, get as far away from as possible in any capacity because what they are leading you down is just destruction.

FTND (14:34)
Thank you for sharing all of that. I think it’s so interesting for so many people, especially who are unfamiliar with OnlyFans, really how robust ⁓ this process is for these agencies, for this recruitment. I do also really quickly want to just point out that we’re only talking about women. And so often when we talk about the harms of pornography, generally, we talk about how women more often than not are exploited or victims of abuse, whereas men are perpetrators more often than not.

Can you speak to the gender dynamic of OnlyFans?

Victoria (15:08)
Yeah, that’s a great one. Look, I think people are quite shocked to learn that it was a female run and owned agency, which I think kind of also sways a little bit of this narrative that it’s men exploiting women and it’s just men that are these ⁓ bad people, ⁓ which is just as concerning because as women we should be championing each other. But yes, it is.

It’s a hard one. I might like go to tangent here. I’m so sorry, but I have such a hard time in this as well, because I don’t think that yes, women are the ones that are traditionally, well, not traditionally, sorry, mainly exploited in this and it is horrible. But there’s two sides to the equation because what are we targeting when we market people men and we’re targeting the softest part of men, their sexuality. And it is so hard for men to keep that under wraps. So it is, ⁓

using women to exploit men, which is such a weird sick cycle in itself. But I just, I really do care about that and not trying to demonize men and not trying to a hundred percent blame agenda on this. But yes, women are traditionally the ones who are on OnlyFans. And it is traditionally, I think it’s like 89.7 % of subscribers on OnlyFans or something are men, 29 year old men.

But yeah, that’s kind of my heart in the gender, I guess.

FTND (16:38)
I’m so grateful you responded in that way. And I just want to clarify, obviously, fight the new drugs position. Our listeners know this. We are very anti-shame. And the whole reason we do this work is because we know that porn harms everyone, right? Regardless of any diversifying factor, regardless of gender, this is such a multifaceted and complex issue. And so many people are being exploited on one side or the other of this, both men and women. So I’m so grateful that that was your response to that. And I think it’s helpful to anyone listening to hear.

⁓ you with your experiences being able to acknowledge that as well.

Victoria (17:12)
Yeah, I don’t think it’s a male or female problem specifically. I actually think that it’s a human problem. And so if like humans can come together, we can, you know, not point fingers here because that’s not how we fix this problem.

FTND (17:23)
Absolutely, I couldn’t agree more. Thank you for saying that, really, truly. What do you think subscribers would be surprised to hear about OnlyFans?

Victoria (17:32)
that they’re talking to some dude in the Philippines, not the chick. Sorry, I shouldn’t laugh at that. But that’s, ⁓ yes, the fact that you, I can guarantee almost any big OnlyFans person, you are not talking to the girl. You were talking to someone from a third world country who sits on a computer for 12 to 14 hours a day, seven days a week, six to seven days a week, and is trained to pretend to be that girl.

FTND (17:38)
Okay. Yeah.

Victoria (18:02)
And not a lot of people know that chatters exist or that they’re real. And I think that that’s the most almost shocking thing because the whole allure of OnlyFans is it’s not like traditional porn. You get to have this experience with a girl and when we shatter that, then this whole, you know, narrative of OnlyFans is just completely ruined. And so that’s the biggest thing I harp on. You’re probably not talking to the girl.

FTND (18:28)
Yeah, are there any other misconceptions about the platform that you think subscribers or the general public have or would be surprised to learn?

Victoria (18:36)
Yeah, definitely. think as well that people think that this line of work is liberating and that this is a positive. And the thing that people don’t understand is as soon as you step into the ⁓ arena of sex work, it’s not like OnlyFans is here and sex work is here. It is a insidious web and it is all the same. It doesn’t matter if you’re a content creator, you are doing sex work.

And so I think that’s a really harsh term that we do have to use. So people understand the gravity of what they’re signing up for. And then as well, as soon as you join to OnlyFans, you are at the beck and call of your subs. And so people can sit there and say, but I, I get to do, I get to, it’s like, no, no, no, this is a service based role. You need to service your subscribers because if you don’t, you don’t get paid. And so at the end of the day, you have to do what they want you to do.

And of course they have a sense of entitlement because they’re going, Hey, I paid for you. I paid for your body. show me what I want to see the amount of abuse that the girls caught from guys that don’t like the custom request that wanted more that get mad. they say that’s a hard boundary and they push it. So then you’re being, you know, uh, pressured by your sub straight away. Then if you do join to an agency, an agency is not for you. They’re for the money that you make.

So then you’re actually influenced by the subs and then you’re influenced by the agency. So there’s no liberation in that. ⁓ And I think that a lot of girls and the way that OnlyFans is marketed is it’s the sexual liberation and it’s creativity and it’s artistic and it’s no, it’s sex work and you are immediately once you join onto that network at the influence of pressure immediately. So there’s no liberation in it.

FTND (20:32)
Yeah, I think that’s a great point to make. also on the flip side of that, subscribers are also sex buyers, right? I think sometimes maybe having the screen ⁓ in between might allow someone to trick themselves out of believing that. But that is the reality of the situation, is that someone on the other side is a sex buyer who is influencing in this way. Can you speak to some of the specific experiences of OnlyFans creators?

Victoria (20:58)
Absolutely. ⁓ Again, when we were talking about liberation and this being something that’s freeing and all of that, ⁓ just to explain, guess, how ⁓ soft manipulated you are. So when you would come to the OnlyFans agency, ⁓ you have this thing called levels. And so again, you think that you have this freedom and you’re this and blah, blah. But when you do your onboarding call, we ask you what level are you

comfortable app, but we tell you the levels. So there was a level one, which was Instagram content. Level two was implied nudity. Level three was nudity. Level four was everything but anal. Sorry to be crude, but, ⁓ and then level five was everything. And so you would select what level you were at, and then we would give that to the chatter and the chatter would always mess up and always agree to something more. And then there was always this two in fro.

with, oh, I said that I’m at this level, oh, but the sub this, oh, but they already paid, so there’s that. Then I’m the one that actually came up with this. I was like, hold on, there was girls that were just doing Instagram content level one, and they weren’t making a lot of money. And I was like, why don’t we just abolish level one? Why are people gonna pay to see on Instagram what, sorry, why are they gonna pay to see what they can see on Instagram on OnlyFans? So I was like, let’s get rid of it. So again,

there’s this, so then we just got rid of an entire section of girls that could even want to come to the platform and only feel comfortable doing this because we’re already telling them what they have to do as a baseline minimum, even if they’re not comfortable. So if that doesn’t kind of show like how manipulative it is, ⁓ and then again, specific girls were like, we want to just do, you know, lingerie and bikini. And we’re like, well, we don’t want you. ⁓ So what do you think that’s doing to you?

And then as well, you go a little bit further down the line and there was one girl who had been in the industry for a while. She’d made, you know, maybe a million dollars, but you know, got to that point where she’s like, I hate doing this. I hate this. I don’t want to do it anymore. And I sat down with her and I was like, okay, that’s cool. You don’t want to do this anymore. Let’s get you involved in the business. What are you good at? What are your strengths? What are your weaknesses? And she looked at me and she goes, I’m good at being a hot C-U-N-T.

And I was like, nah, come on. And she goes, no, Vic, I’m not good at anything. I can’t do anything else but this. And so she’s now trapped because a house, a car repayments, know, mortgage and bills and you know, a million dollars, you can’t retire on it. And so she’s like, what am I supposed to do? So these are just some of the examples of that’s how like manipulative, coercive this industry is. then once you’re in it,

You’re trapped. Imagine you’ve done OnlyFans for three to five years. You’ve made a little bit of money. You hate it. You’re pawns everywhere for eternity for people to see. And you feel so trapped because you’re like, I hate this, but I don’t know what else to do. And that’s a really big reality for a lot of these girls that people don’t understand.

FTND (24:11)
Yeah. Can you speak at all to what you observed that experience being like of having their content there after they decided to leave and not being able to do anything about it?

Victoria (24:21)
So this is actually outside in the work that I do now, someone that I’ve met who was in the pornography industry. So this wasn’t through my OnlyFans experience. And this, she’s incredible. Her story is just phenomenal. And she’s actually going to court now to really fight for the fact that once you leave the porn industry, you have the right to work. And so she did porn 10 years ago and she quit the industry.

and got fired from three different jobs for her past in pornography. And it’s like, and she’s like, I can’t do it. I don’t own the rights to this. This has, you know, millions of views and I can’t do anything about it. It’s there forever, but I just want to work. I just want a normal job and I’m not even allowed that freedom. And so that’s a huge thing that people need to understand that there is consequences. There is ramifications for this.

And it’s not to demonize the girl, it’s not her fault. You know what I mean? That, you know, that happened, it’s awful, but we really need to understand that you’re gonna put this on the internet for forever. You don’t own it. As soon as it goes on OnlyFans, OnlyFans owns it. People can take pictures. They can put it on Reddit. They can put it on Google. They can put it on Instagram. And then what are you gonna do? And then you wanna leave it. And like this poor girl, look at what she’s having to go through now just to fight for her basic right to have a job.

FTND (25:49)
Yeah, I think that’s so important to highlight. And from that perspective, I’ve heard from many teenage girls, I don’t need to go to college. I can just start an OnlyFans. It’s no problem. Can you speak a little to what you see as some of the reasons women want to join OnlyFans in the first place? And then if there are specific examples beyond what you’ve already shared or a trend that you’ve seen in terms of as women are leaving,

what their experience is. Is it flipping from thinking this was a liberating experience to more often than not thinking the exact opposite by the time that they leave? Can you speak a little bit about to what you see generally with that?

Victoria (26:31)
Yeah, I think that when young girls, they’re painted this picture of, again, through ⁓ social media influences that do OnlyFans, that, my gosh, look at them. Like I go to schools and one girl asked me if I knew this very specific content creator. ⁓

And I was like, I just know her through TikTok. don’t know her personally. I’m like, I’m assuming you know her through TikTok too. She’s one of the biggest in Australia. And they’re like, yeah. And so just asked them, was like, what do you enjoy about her content? Why do you like her so much? And they go, well, she can travel and she looks happy. And I’m like, do you think that you have to do only fans to travel and to be happy? And they’re like, well, that’s what she does. And I was like, do you understand that you can be happy and travel and you don’t have to sell porn?

And I was like, also, she’s probably not happy. The amount of girls that drugs and drinking and, you know, mental health in the industry. And like, and I said, like, I was posting, I said to these girls, I was posting this luxurious life. I was like, yeah, I was like, I was a high functioning, basically alcoholic and cocaine addict. I was miserable. But yet, you know, on social media, I was like having this elite life. And so I think a lot of these girls are like, well,

Why would I like we reward these dangerous women? And so if you’re a young girl and you’re looking at your life, you’re going, well, why would I go to college? Why would I do this? I’m not rewarded for that. I hear about debt. I hear that you have to work hard. You have to do all these things. That sounds awful. But what are we rewarding?

Imagine you wanna be a singer and you’re like, why am gonna go sing? I’m just gonna go do a OnlyFans. So of course these girls are thinking this way. And so it’s up for us to stop rewarding dangerous women. Like that’s what I call it. And really educate these girls as you said. And so then you come into the industry and that’s what I saw. They’re really excited. They’re all hyped up. This is luxurious. This is elite.

And also just a sidebar, sorry, that’s a very minute amount of people. feel like I’m talking about, so the agency that we worked out, we would call it first-class flights because the capacity that we could have, I just need to emphasize this, sorry, the capacity that the agency could have was about 24 girls. And it’s because it was this upper echelon, I guess you could say. The average wage of an OnlyFans creator is 140 USD a month. So, and that’s after tax. So your…

hearing all of this and hearing the luxury and the elite tiny, you know, anomaly of what it actually is. Majority of girls will join up to OnlyFans. They don’t have a platform. They don’t have this. They don’t have that. And then they’re like, my gosh, I’m not making any money by doing it. And so then you’re forced to do these crazy acts. And then they’re out there. Just to emphasize that, I think, because people might think that you, join OnlyFans and then you’re a part of this like elite lifestyle straight away. No, you’re not. And then

So for the girls, yes, they would come into the agency for what we were presenting. We were presenting this life. And then you could see the life cycle. And again, it’s like, you know, this one girl said that, ⁓ like she was having some problems with her partner personally. And the partner was like, you you seem like you enjoy doing the sex work online more than you enjoy us. And she was saying to us, she’s like, no, it’s all fake. I hate doing this. You think that I like.

get off when I’m doing a video for some gross guy. No, like, and it’s like, that’s actually the reality of what this is. And so yeah, you’re going to jump onto this platform. You’re going to think that you’re going to have a mad time. It’s so much fun. And you have to do the most intimate personal acts in front of a camera by yourself majority of the time in a room. Of course that chips away at your dignity.

And of course, like the paranoia of, ⁓ I out? Has that person seen my porn? they, like it destroys you. And so then these women traditionally by the time, unless you’re in complete and utter denial, by the time you get to the end of the road of when you’re at your capacity, you hate yourself, you feel used, you don’t feel like you’re good enough, as I said in that story before. And so that’s where I think for young girls, we just have to really be almost not.

harsh but very blunt in the reality of this just to educate them on that. Yeah.

FTND (30:57)
Yeah, absolutely. And I think you mentioned this a little bit a couple of different times. But just to add to this, can you speak a little bit to how content is influenced by the request of subscribers? Because I think that’s an important part of this equation as well, is really understanding the power that these subscribers do have in this situation.

Victoria (31:17)
Yeah. So, ⁓ on the OnlyFans platform, I think a lot of people think that, it’s, can do whatever I want to do. And we’ll know the whole allure of OnlyFans as, as we’ve been saying is that you have this, ⁓ personal relationship with the girl. So what that is, is it means that people are actually instantly messaging you. So you’re sitting there and you’re actually talking to dudes like back and forth. And so these guys can ask for these things called custom requests. And so in a custom request.

that can request anything. ⁓ So you don’t necessarily ⁓ have the autonomy to just post whatever content you want. And then you might think, I just say no. Well, do you think if a guy has paid to subscribe to your platform and he’s talking to you and maybe you’re like in this conversation and it’s a little heated and then he asked for a customer request and you just say no, that he’s going to go, okay. Or do think he’s going to abuse you? He’s going to belittle you. He’s going to put you down. And then you’re going to feel like crap.

because how you get your validation is through talking to these men to pay for your content. And so it’s just this cycle that keeps on going. And yeah, I don’t think a lot of people get.

FTND (32:28)
It seems perhaps obvious after hearing your perspective on all of this, but can you speak a little bit about why you decided to leave?

Victoria (32:35)
Yeah. So, honestly, it might seem obvious, like obvious in hindsight, but this is why I care so much about it because you don’t know until you know. So, ⁓ working at the agency and as I said, I was doing all the marketing and so that was seeing all the social media stuff. And then we actually changed the structure of the company. And so we realized when you’re impersonating someone, if you have someone who’s just in charge of marketing and just in charge of only fans, there’s disconnect.

And so I didn’t know what was happening on OnlyFans. They didn’t know what was happening on social media. So instead of doing all the girls for one aspect, we split them in half and you would do the full life cycle. So then I was doing their marketing and their social, their marketing and their OnlyFans. And that’s when I started to see everything. So that’s when the veil actually got shattered for me. And I was like, my gosh, this is porn. Like, whoa. And so I was feeling really weird in the job.

And like, even remember asking people like at the agency workers and stuff, like, how do you feel about this? Blah, blah. And they’re like, ⁓ it’s like a safe injecting heroin room. Like people need a safe place to do porn. So we give them that. And I’m like, I don’t know. And then I’d ask other people and they’re like, no, this is cooked, but you know, someone’s got to do this. Like, you know what I mean? you, you like tossing and turning, is this right? Is this wrong? People in my world are saying that it is, but it doesn’t feel right. And so I.

ended up being like, I just want to offset all the bad that I’m doing and do something good. And I ended up joining, like volunteering at like a church to help refugees. Well, so I thought that’s what I signed up to do. But through, through me signing up to try and, you know, go overseas and volunteer and help, I ended up just listening to someone speaking at church and they spoke about the dangers of OnlyFans and how it’s impacting our children. And I was like, what?

Like, and yeah, that talk impacted me so much that day that that was on a Sunday and by the Friday I quit the agency. So yeah, that was it for me. It took someone again being brutally honest and explaining the realities of it ⁓ for me to know everything in my heart that I was feeling. And then I was like, I can’t do this. Like I’m gone. And yeah, just left.

FTND (34:49)
Was it difficult for you to walk away from your friends or people you’d work with closely? Did you feel like judgment or shame about that choice to leave?

Victoria (34:58)
Yes and no. So it was quite difficult to walk away, you know, from the friendships ⁓ and I guess that whole circle. And then like I was sober, like all the things, but I think when you, I don’t know, I think intrinsically when you know that what you’re doing and when you’re living an inauthentic life, that’s so destructive. And so even though the path to authenticity seems difficult, if you put it out,

in reality, and this is just for people to encourage them. Do you think it’s hard to live a life that you’re miserable and hard to live a life of drinking and drugs and all of that? Like, I promise you, it’s not, it might seem like it is, but what’s on the other side of that? You know, peace, comfort, like actually liking yourself and not hating the world you’re in and having to band-aid it. So it was sort of difficult in the time, but I think as humans, we know what the right thing is to do. And when you’re doing it, even if you have to do hard things to get there, you know that it’s so much better than.

than the other option.

FTND (35:56)
Yeah, that’s so well said and so encouraging, I think, for anyone who’s maybe in a similar situation or having doubts about something they’re participating in. What do you have to say to those who think that content on OnlyFans is ethical because it’s self-produced?

Victoria (36:11)
That’s actually a great question though. Like I think that this is what I would say. There is nothing ethical about selling your body. I don’t care what paint, what brush it’s painted with. At the end of the day, selling the most personal intimate parts of your being for money and for entertainment, it’s not ethical and it’s not okay. And we need to stop saying that it is and that it’s creativity and that it’s artistic.

And that it’s all these things because at the end of the day, you’re not just selling it, you know, ⁓ apart. not like you can detach a part of yourself and then sell that and then reattach. You’re selling yourself as your essence. And so there is nothing that is ethical about that because when you’re selling yourself, you’re putting your identity and value in that. And so of course, if you’re then attaching a monetary purpose to your identity and your acts and how you look.

and how much you can make that when you say that that’s who I am and that’s what I’m worth and we’re actually going to put money on it. That is so destructive. that, as I said, I don’t, it is just, there’s nothing about that that’s ethical because we are all worth so much more. are worth, we.

the creativity, the genuine, and the possibilities that we all have as humans is endless. And so to limit that by saying that our bodies are the only things that we can produce. Because honestly, it’s so sad. And so that’s the biggest thing I would say to people is think bigger. We are more than just a product of selling our bodies for entertainment. We can do so much. Like the ceiling is just unfathomable in what we can achieve. So just shadow that narrative that.

That porn in any aspect is ethical in any way because we are worth so much more than just selling ourselves for entertainment.

FTND (38:03)
OnlyFans is normalized among teenage girls in schools. As you’re going into schools to talk about your experience or talk about this meet with these girls, are you met with confrontation or acceptance? What is that experience like? And what do you hear from these young girls in schools?

Victoria (38:18)
the experience that I have had thus far and also just in personal life, I’ve been blessed enough to have families invite me over and, you know, ask for advice and speak to their girls, ⁓ but behind doing that. ⁓ I think a lot of girls get it. And as I said, I think intrinsically they know that and the struggles that our poor girls are having at the moment with, you know, the pressure of sexting and boys that are watching porn at such a young age and feeling the pressure to do that.

I think it’s almost comforting for them to hear that, you know what? I don’t have to do that. I don’t have to be that girl. And there are some girls who are quite confused and I’ve even had that, that they’re like, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Like, again, I want to be happy and travel. of course I’m going to do OnlyFans or like even I’ve had girls who have been like, I don’t understand, but again, she seems so happy. And that’s where, but I think it’s good. I think it’s a seed planter and that’s all we can do.

is plant the seeds, but I think overall, a lot of the girls are like, ⁓ that’s, I’m glad to hear that. But some are still very confused as they’re like, this is the reality I’m presented with and you’re giving me an alternative one I don’t understand.

FTND (39:29)
Yeah, we likely have some parents listening to this, parents of teenagers, girls or boys. If there was something you could share specifically with parents about OnlyFans that you think maybe they don’t know or that could help them raise teenagers in this day and age, what would you say to them?

Victoria (39:46)
awkward conversations. Don’t be coy. Don’t be shy. This is for the benefit of your child. And don’t not think that your kid is a part of it and that your kid would never if you’ve never had those hard conversations, you cannot assume because if you’re not educating them, someone’s educating them. so sit down with them. Just have that conversation of even just being like, who do you follow on Instagram?

What do you, what’s on your social media? Like keep it chill. Like you don’t have to berate them. And as well, if your child is caught watching porn, if your child does even come to you and say that or something, don’t freak out because shame is what the industry feeds off. And that’s where the problem is for these young boys is they’re so engulfed in shame that they do this, that they’re not talking about it. So if your child comes to you and does say, Hey, I saw this or whatever, what do mean? Like just.

Okay, how did that make you feel? Do you understand that this isn’t real? This is an accurate representation of a man and a woman that love each other. And just if you see these things, turn it away, talk to me again, thank you so much for coming to me. ⁓ Putting blockers on kids’ phones, especially young kids’ phones, there’s apps, I can’t think off the top of my head, but you can literally control like, you know, their screen time, how long they’re on and app for and all that. And it’s not being a bad parent, it’s protecting your kid.

And no phones in the bedrooms overnight. That is like, think one of the most important things just to, even if you’re seen as a ball breaker, who cares, ma’am? Like the amount of young boys that get bots that coerce them into sending naked pictures. And then we get our children doing awful things to themselves because they think that these photos are going to be exposed. Like it’s not worth it. So that would be my thing. Have the awkward conversation. If you don’t know, there’s so many resources, just Google, you know, parental books on how to help navigate digital era or something.

⁓ Don’t shame them and no phones in the bedroom are just the simplest things I think we can do.

FTND (41:47)
That’s great advice and such a good reminder. So many parents want to be the cool parent or, you know, say, just talk to me about it, but we don’t need filters or we don’t need, you know, boundaries around technology. And I think just as a reminder, kids are living in an unprecedented time right now, especially with content like OnlyFans or other platforms that are available. And to know you can just give your kids some training wheels as they learn to navigate the internet and prepare them to navigate it on their own as an adult. But that it’s so important for us to be sure.

that we help them in this time. And you mentioned when you speak to girls and some of them are relieved to hear this, I think that we see that as well. We see that there are young girls and young boys saying, oh, it’s okay if I don’t consume porn because porn is so normalized and there is so much pressure to consume it and to engage in sexting and all of these things. So I love how you’ve addressed that and the work that you’re doing to address that with young people right now is amazing. Thank you.

Victoria (42:42)
No, thank you. appreciate it. And thank you guys for all the work you do truly. It’s been such a useful tool even for me personally. So I can’t imagine how it is for everyone else.

FTND (42:52)
How safe or protected, I guess is a better word, is the content that is produced on OnlyFans versus how much of it does end up getting exported and uploaded to other Tube sites or other platforms? How kind of protected is it within the platform of OnlyFans?

Victoria (43:06)
personal experience from what I’ve seen, it’s as protected as a public Instagram profile. Like there’s no protection. Like we could literally sit here right now and be on OnlyFans and I’ve got my phone and I’m taking pictures. There’s no, you can do screen record. Like that it’s as simple as that. It’s as protected, I personally think as a public Instagram profile.

FTND (43:28)
Do you have any knowledge of content specifically that has been uploaded to other platforms, not by the original content creator, but by subscribers?

Victoria (43:37)
I know of girls that have had their pictures, sorry, their photos sent to like their brothers and their ex-boyfriends and stuff like that. And so there’s been subscribers that knew the girls and then they’ve gone and sent it to their family. And then I also know of a girl that she was at her old agency. Her old agency put her content.

on a different platform. And then when she left the agency, they never took that down. So they were still making money off her being on like this other weird backend platform to promote her. And for months and months and months had no idea then she randomly found it. And she was like, my gosh, this account is still up. What it’s still making money like, and had to figure out all the passwords and all of that to get it down. So that’s super common. Definitely.

FTND (44:26)
Can you speak at all to the age verification process OnlyFans has? Are they ensuring minors are not being exploited on the platform?

Victoria (44:36)
You literally just have to upload an ID like that’s about as extensive as it is. So upload an ID and you know, that’s your age verification. So there’s not really a super, ⁓ stringent process to ensure that there’s no minors. Yeah.

FTND (44:51)
We have heard at presentations from some individuals who are so kind of deep into OnlyFans that they can’t stop consuming OnlyFans content. They’ve spent a lot of money on it and they’re struggling to connect with people in real life because they’ve kind of substituted that for this. How do you think people can stop consuming content on OnlyFans?

Victoria (45:13)
I like the biggest thing that pricked my ears in you saying that was they can’t stop consuming. Why? Why can’t you? Why are you saying that you can’t? You can do anything. Like as lame as that sounds, but it’s literally the truth. Like why are you putting limiting factors on what you can and can’t do is number one. So don’t say I can’t do that because you can seriously do anything. And so I think that the biggest thing that we see in pornography consumers is a lack of love.

And so, because what are you searching for at the end of the day? Really? It’s your, when you have this connection with porn and everything like that, it’s because you’re feeling something. What you’re feeling is a false counterfeit love. And so that’s what you’re addicted to. You’re addicted to this feeling that happens. And so that means that there’s a disconnect in your life. So get connected in a community, of course, get connected into therapy or potential, you know, sex rehab or whatever it is like that. But how you offset…

that yearning, that lack of love that you need and that connection is by finding community. And you can do that in any capacity. If you’re like, look, I’m really socially awkward. I’m not into sports. I’m not into this. Literally you can find a local church, a local recreation, a local, like seriously, it doesn’t matter what it is, just get plugged into some sort of community. And then you can start to build that, that, that feeling of love again, and building that up in yourself as well. So then you can facilitate that in yourself.

But I think that that’s a really important thing that we need to address that the root cause a lot of the time of people that are so ⁓ obsessed with pornography and addicted to it is because either there is trauma, there is abuse, there is something like that. And that comes then to a lack of love. So start thinking about the root cause. Don’t tell yourself you can’t and get plugged into a serious community where you can have genuine support. In this day and age they do exist. It is real. It’s not hard to find. ⁓

⁓ And then I think that that’s a really good foundation for you to take the necessary steps.

FTND (47:09)
Yeah, that’s so well said. And while we’re talking about that, can I ask, do you have any statistics or have you heard of any stories of individuals who are on the subscriber side of OnlyFans who have gotten so far down that rabbit hole that they have, you know, spent all of their money? Or do you have any anecdotes on that side of things that you could share?

Victoria (47:29)
So there were these things called Findoms in ⁓ OnlyFans and also in Reddit. It’s like huge. So Findoms is financial domination. And so that’s when guys are obsessed and they get off to giving their money to girls and like taking out loans and stuff like that and giving it all this money. And so saw that like a little bit at the agency and stuff and guys that are like get off to that. And then obviously when we were deep diving in Reddit, it was huge. ⁓

FTND (47:58)
Another question one of our presenters had after some information he’s got out of presentation was, how long was the average content creator on the platform? Do you find people leaving after a short period of time? And if so, why?

Victoria (48:12)
They leave if they don’t make enough. If you get addicted to the money and you become a slave to the money, you’ll stay, to be honest with you. I don’t think you’ll do anything for long-term if you weren’t making money off it. So, and that’s the biggest thing. These people become obsessed with money. And so of course they stay and are willing to do whatever to keep making that money here.

FTND (48:34)
Right, and you’ve said the average content creator in makes 148 was at US dollars.

Victoria (48:41)
$140 USD a month is the of a content creator.

FTND (48:43)
Yeah.

Yeah, so certainly the opposite of what many people are probably expecting to experience on the platform if they are looking for that lifestyle with big money and big travel. But on the opposite end of that, once you are making that money, if you are making that money, then that money becomes coercive in and of itself, right? You mentioned someone trying to leave now has house payments and car payments and all of these other things that they’re now pressured to continue making that same money.

Victoria (49:13)
Absolutely. ⁓ One of the girls that one that I mentioned before who ⁓ is in the court battle about, you know, her rights to have a job. She’s so open about that as well. And she literally said to me, goes, Vic, you become you worship money and that is why you stay and it becomes your God and it is all that you want and you feel so validated by it. And she’s like, it’s so sickening. We need to address the fact that people who are in the industry worship money and that’s what keeps them going as well. And I think that

that’s a really hard truth that we need to speak about as well as once you get in there and you get addicted to that. And she goes to me, she goes, Vic, but it is the quickest money. She goes, you think you get paid that little bit and then you go get your hair done, you get this to keep up with the lifestyle and the fakeness of it. And then it’s all gone again. And that’s why that addiction keeps coming and keeps coming. And I was like, Whoa, like I never even thought of it from that angle. But I guess, you know, from the agency’s perspective,

We were addicted to making the money. Of course we were. And that’s why you’d cycle through girls. And so I think money addiction as well is a whole nother topic in itself, but a huge part that we need to address in this equation as well. Yeah.

FTND (50:20)
Yeah, and I think further speaks to that this is commodifying people, which you mentioned. This is an agency that is profiting off of people. And if the people aren’t making them enough money, then they just get new people, right? Yeah.

Victoria (50:32)
I heard a study, Paul ⁓ Laverne, he’s a psychologist in Canada, but he was telling me about this study. He had like a bunch of males that watch pornography and he was showing them a photo of a female body and then showing a photo of tools. And the same parts of the brain get lit up. So literally, when you watch porn, you do not understand the difference between a woman

and a bunch of tools. You literally see them both as an object. And I was like, my gosh, that’s like, like I knew it, I guess. But like, when you put it like that, I was like, that’s insane.

FTND (51:10)
Yes, it really does fuel objectification. Then to take that a step further, a lot of other research shows if you can objectify something, it becomes easier to commit violence against them. So there is a ripple effect right from there of making this person less than a person. It’s so much easier to commit violence against them or to use them for sex or to further objectify them, dehumanize them, degrade them, et cetera, because we’ve no longer made them a person in our.

in our mind.

Victoria (51:40)
That’s just what I was going to say. There’s an excellent documentary coming out called Buying Her and it literally speaks to this and it speaks about, you know, it might start off as this and then how it ripple effects and it goes more and more and more. And then, you know, these personal anecdotes of men that end up acting out, ⁓ you know, these fantasies that they see in porn on women in real life. And I don’t think a lot of people, I took some friends to that, ⁓ that have no concept of anything to do with this industry and all of that.

And they were like, ⁓ my gosh, I thought porn was fine. I didn’t understand how can watching porn lead to women getting raped. I never knew that was a thing. And so that’s a really excellent resource as well for people just to understand the gravity of it. Yeah.

FTND (52:24)
Yeah, absolutely. going off of that a little bit, speaking really to the consumers of this content and only fans or subscribers or in sex buyers, essentially, did you interact with them much or have kind of anecdotes really of what you saw generally among consumers or subscribers themes maybe that you saw?

Victoria (52:43)
So what we would have to do ⁓ at the agency is basically you have to read all of the conversations and you have to also train the chatters. you’re well aware of what’s being said. And once a week we would train the chatters and we’ll call it the girlfriend experience. And we would take personal things that they did good and did bad talking to subs over the week. The biggest thing you see is again, this lack of love.

these men are yearning for connections. They think that these girls love them. They think that they, you know, have a relationship with them. And they’re so dependent on these girls and these conversations. And so that’s where this whole thing, I was like, this comes from a lack of love. ⁓ It’s a weird sick thing. It’s a sick sense of entitlement, a sense of love. Like it’s so convoluted, but ⁓ at the end of the day, I think it’s just people yearning for connection.

FTND (53:34)
You mentioned earlier the demographic, the average age, I think you said 29 of a male. Can you speak more broadly to demographics of consumers on OnlyFans or subscribers?

Victoria (53:46)
Well, I thought that was super interesting. I found that in a 2024 study, just about, I guess, some basic facts and information about OnlyFans. I personally saw an array, but then again, it’s really hard because I’m like, there’s fake names, they don’t put up pictures, like you don’t know where. So it’s really hard, I thought personally anyway, so we have to sit here and say, yeah, the bunch of…

you know, 25 year old tradies or something because honestly, who, who knows who you’re actually talking to? Yeah.

FTND (54:18)
I do just want to ask generally, is there anything else that you feel is the most important to talk about that people maybe wouldn’t know generally about OnlyFans or that people are always surprised to know or something you find the most interesting? Is there anything generally we haven’t talked about yet that you want to share?

Victoria (54:38)
I think, I know that we said it before, maybe just to emphasize it, ⁓ OnlyFans is sex work. And I think that when you put it like that, people are really shocked to hear that because we, we guise it with the fluff of content creator. And what does that even mean? A content creator? Like if you are doing sexual acts and getting monetary gain for it, that is sex work. And we need to start saying that and

putting that blatantly and it’s not to shame the girl. And I really need to emphasize that because when I do say these things, it’s just to get people to understand because I’ve even met people now that are like, until someone told me I was a sex worker, I didn’t even know I was a sex worker. And then, so I think that that’s really important that we have to emphasize that this is sex work. And as I said before, it’s not that OnlyFans is on one side and then ⁓ prostitution, escorting, stripping, topless waitressing, all of that is on this side.

They are all the same beast. It is all the same industry. Once you’re indoctrinated into that ecosystem, it is so hard to get out of it. And one thing leads to another and not to doom and gloom, but just to really help people to make a well-informed decision that when you sign up to OnlyFans, you are signing up for sex work. And I just want people to understand that that’s what you’re doing. ⁓ I think it’s really important to hone in on.

FTND (55:58)
Expounding on that a little bit, do you know of any specific instances where women have been trafficked through the platform or OnlyFans? Maybe they have a pimp who’s posting content of them or ⁓ managing that process for them in a way that is legally defined as trafficking.

Victoria (56:15)
Honestly, I really think an OnlyFans agency is pimping and trafficking girls. Like I really don’t understand how it’s legal. I’m, the more I’m learning, the more I’m like, I don’t think this is legal, like in any capacity. An OnlyFans agency is pimping. ⁓ You have to know where the girl is. Are they going on a holiday? Where were they that night? You know, if they don’t respond to you for a couple of days, where were you? Like, you know what I mean? Like… ⁓

I’m not too sure exactly what the definition of trafficking is. No, we’re not kidnapping people and all of that and forcing them to do this, but ⁓ I don’t really see the difference between controlling a girl on the streets and controlling a girl on the internet, to be honest with you.

FTND (56:56)
So the agency is acting as a pimp, but then also simultaneously gaslighting these women into believing they’re empowered, right? At the same time, because of the way that the platform is designed. So you said the very thing along the way, it’s girl power, right? We’re here supporting you. We’re lifting you up. You’re an entrepreneur, all while grooming and pressuring and exploiting for the agency’s gain, right?

Victoria (57:22)
Yeah, absolutely. It’s like a great analogy for this as well is when you, it’s so hard, but this is what people have to understand about how insidious this industry is and how just wrong it is. Because imagine, like, this is how I like to put it when we talk about pimping and stuff like that. Imagine if there was a group of women that were all dressed up.

in their designer or just looking nice and they’re standing on a street corner or they’re standing in a shopping center and they’re going up to young girls and they’re going, hey, I think you’re really cute. I think you’re such a vibe. How old are you? you’re 20. Well, I think you’re gorgeous. Would you ever consider doing OnlyFans?

No way. Well, you know how we could make you even more money? Would you lie and say you’re 18? Well, if you come with us, we’re going to give you a sisterhood. We’re going to give you an elite life. Look at us. Look at the life we live. Do you want that too? Come follow us. We’ll just lie. Say you’re 18. We’ll do all these things. Sell some photos of you and you can be with us in our tribe. If you saw that on the street, you’d be like, you’re cooked. Like get away from her. You’re a freak.

That’s literally what an OnlyFans agency does, but they do it behind a computer, so it’s okay. And like, that’s what OnlyFans is. Like, it’s literally just coercing girls and young women into selling themselves and doing porn with this silver platter of eliteness and luxury. If OnlyFans was like a person and doing that on the street, again, you’d say that’s a pimp, that person needs to be arrested. This is what OnlyFans is doing and doing to our young girls and coercing them into.

but because it’s not like a tangible thing, it’s not real, it doesn’t exist, no, it’s just as real. It doesn’t matter if it’s on the internet. ⁓ And so of course this is pimping and it is extortion and it is coercion and it is grooming. Like there’s no difference.

FTND (59:13)
I’m wondering if there are any kind of top of mind stats that you think are really poignant that you would just want to kind of list off ⁓ relating to OnlyFans.

Victoria (59:23)
thing I find really interesting as well as the gravity of it. So back in 2021, there was 2.1 million creators on the platform, 2.1 million. And out of that 2.1 million, only 300 make more than a million a year. And I’m like, that is astounding. And then, so again, just to put into perspective of you’re not going to come on this platform and have this elite life, 300 plus, only people at a 2.1 million. That’s insane.

And then as well, think the statistic, can get it up if you want me to quote it correctly, but I think it’s something crazy, like 87 % of men, I don’t know how they know this, but are married who consume OnlyFans content. And so the actual statistics are this, so it 87 % of users are male, and then 89.5 % are likely to be married. That’s insane.

FTND (1:00:14)
That’s staggering. Yeah. And I think really significant to mention, right? We already know from so much research, decades of research, and personal accounts, hundreds of thousands of people have experienced porn in their relationships, right? And this is a different level of that.

Victoria (1:00:31)
Yeah, absolutely. I couldn’t have put it better myself. Truly, yeah. As I said, I think it’s not an us and them problem. It’s an everyone problem. This impacts our children, adults, our relationships. It impacts society in such a significant way.

FTND (1:00:46)
And that is the very reason that it’s so important that we’re having these conversations, right? Because so many people are just saying, it’s fine, it’s ethical, it’s no problem. And it’s quite the opposite. These systems are the same as what we’re seeing in pornography. They are exploitative, they are problematic, right? And there is a ripple effect to these problems. So ⁓ it’s so important that we’re having these conversations. I’m so grateful for your time to be able to share this with us and also that our listeners are able to hear this.

Is there anything else before we wrap up that we haven’t talked about yet that you think is important to share or for people to understand about OnlyFans?

Victoria (1:01:23)
One thing that I do really love just to encourage people to do as like a final thing is if you’re sitting there ⁓ and this isn’t necessarily about only fans, it’s more like a preventative. ⁓ And I really care about that. is better than cure, as we all know. But if you’re listening to this hypothetically and you’re sitting there and you’ve started posting those type of photos and you are starting to like the attention and feel good about it, or you’re at that point and you’re like, maybe I will just have an only fans or something like that.

I just encourage you with every inch of my being, even put a timer on your phone for 10 minutes. Put a timer on your phone for 10 minutes and just sit there and go, why? Why do I want to post this photo? Well, it makes me feel good.

Why? Well, I like the attention. Why? Well, I don’t really get attention from boys right now. Why? Well, because, and you just see and you’ll keep going, why, why, why, why? And the more that you sit there and you’re brutally honest with yourself and honest with those answers and honest with that why, you can get to this thing called a root cause. And so everything that we see that we’re talking about, the OnlyFans, the pornography, it’s all branches. It’s branches of a root cause. And so what I encourage as well, so like young girls, when I speak to them and everything like that,

is we need to build a really strong foundation in you. So then you know how to navigate these things, because if you have a foundational value in yourself, you can’t shake that core, you know, you can’t shake that root. And so these branches, we can mitigate the risk of them. So if you’re at those points, or if you’re posting these things, and you’re seeing that sit with yourself, ask yourself why try your best to get to that root cause, because when you know that root cause, doesn’t have power over you anymore. And then you can actually do something about that root cause. My root cause was, you know,

validation issues and mine manifested through business and success. It didn’t manifest through, you know, pornography and all of that. But I had to figure out my root cause to understand why I even got in that situation in the first place. So that’s just something that I really love to touch on. I guess that sit there, ask yourself why just do it for 10 minutes. Try your best to figure out your root cause. Once you know what your root cause is, then you can put the tools in place to do whatever it is to try and fix that root cause. And then it can just mitigate the risk of other decisions that you’re making your life.

life and hopefully just put you on a path to a lot less pain and a lot less silly mistakes.

FTND (1:03:40)
Yeah, thank you for saying that. And I would just like to add maybe on the other side of that for a consumer of OnlyFans content or pornography to maybe also sit with that, right? We know that so many people use pornography as an escape, right? If they’re feeling sad, lonely, bored, it is a coping mechanism. And we know that it feels kind of this cycle. So to be able to sit with the feeling and say, hmm, why am I interested in consuming this content right now?

could also be a way to help break that habit as well. So I think it’s great advice on both sides of the spectrum. And once again, a good preventative upstream way to kind of help decrease the demand for this explicit content.

Victoria (1:04:19)
Yeah, no, that’s perfect. I never even thought of it that way. I’m so stealing that.

FTND (1:04:23)
Please do. It was your own analogy to begin with. ⁓ Victoria, I’m so, grateful for your time. I’m so grateful to know you and people like you exist in the world who are being the change that you wish to see, who are saying, hey, now that I’ve been presented with new information, it’s OK to change my mind about something and ⁓ to help be a solution to a problem that I see. So thank you.

for being who you are and for doing the work that you do and for giving us your time on the Consider Before Consuming podcast. We’re so grateful. ⁓

Victoria (1:04:57)
You’re so sweet. Thank you so much. just, I’m honestly, this is like the coolest experience ever. know, but like, as I said, I am such a genuine fan of the work you guys do. It inspires me so much. So the fact that you guys even took the time to want to listen to my rambles, ⁓ it really means a lot to me. Cause I, as I said, I just feel like a goofball that’s trying to help people. So thank you so much for.

for everything that you guys are doing and for even giving me the opportunity to just try and help, know, hopefully at least one person, maybe just take a minute and think. So thank you so much. Really. Thank you.