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Chaz Smith: Social Media Influencer & Fighter

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EPISODE 3

Chaz Smith: Social Media Influencer & Fighter

You might know him as the funny guy on youTube who zooms in on his face and pronounces things incorrectly, but did you know Chaz Smith is also an advocate for the movement for love? In this episode which was recorded during a trip to spread the movement in Guatemala, Chaz Smith gets personal (and silly) with our podcast host, Garrett Jonsson, sharing his perspective on pornography and why he became a Fighter. Garrett and Chaz combat the stigma that often surrounds this topic, with Chaz stating, “there is no shame in sharing what you’re struggling with [and] what you’ve been through.” You can find Chaz Smith on YouTube, or follow him on Instagram at @chazsmith.

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Garrett: What is up people? I’m Garrett Jonsson and you’re listening to Consider Before Consuming, a podcast by Fight the New Drug (FTND or Fight). On today’s episode we sit down with Chaz Smith. The Chaz Smith. Chaz is kind of a big deal. He has nearly 2 million followers across the social media platforms. He is had over 34 million views on his youTube channel. He’s a social media influencer, comedian, entrepreneur and fighter for love.

During this conversation we get to know Chaz better by playing this or that, would you rather, and a little bit of Q and A, but we also had several aha moments as we discussed the harmful effects of pornography and how it’s affected Chaz personally. We hope you enjoy this episode of Consider Before Consuming.

Garrett: Well, we want to welcome to the podcast, Mr. Chaz Smith.

Chaz: How you doing?

Garrett: Whats up, Chaz? Um, to be honest, Chaz, I’m excited to sit down with you. Like for me it’s a great opportunity, and also for our audience, our listeners, our Fighters. So, thank you.

Chaz: Yeah. Thank you for having me on man. Podcasts are dope.

Garrett: For Sure. For sure, for sure.

Chaz: Fight the New Drug is awesome. Like this cause is just, so necessary.

Garrett: Well, we appreciate your support.

Um, we’re going to start off with, uh, like, the most important question of them all, right?

Chaz: Alright here we go.

Garrett: Just getting right to it. And that question is, is water wet?

Chaz: Oh my God. (laughing) Oh, dang- Microphone probably peaked.

But let me see. So y’all, if you want to talk about it scientifically, we can do that. If you want to talk about it just colloquially language-wise, you can do that. Which one?

Garrett: So I actually-

Chaz: Take your pick. Red pill, blue pill.

Garrett: When I heard, before I actually watched your video, for our listeners out there, Chaz had a couple of videos about, and they went viral. Right?

Chaz: A few of them have, yeah.

Garrett: About the debate,

Chaz: One was about,

Garrett: This ongoing debate,

Chaz: One was about wether or not water is wet.

Garrett: Yeah

Chaz: Then there is just like other random ones.

Garrett: And I heard the, I heard about the video and I was like, dude, of course water’s wet.

Chaz: (laughing)

Garrett: But then after, after I watched your video, I left with a 180 perspective. Like no, water’s not wet.

Chaz: (laughing) Thats funny, so I don’t, I’ve talked about this so much. Like I’ll just use a simple analogy. If you have like, I don’t know, a pile of hair sitting on the table. Right. Would you say that that hair is hairy or it’s just hair?

Garrett: It’s just hair.

Chaz: It’s just hair. If you add more hair to it. Does it become hairy or hairy-er? No, it’s just a greater quantity of hair.

Garrett: Exactly.

Chaz: Water’s the same way.

Garrett: And I actually looked up, like, once I watched your video I looked up the definition of like, wet, and it’s, yeah, it makes sense. Like,

Chaz: Whats the definitions?

Garrett: The definition,

Chaz: There’s, there’s like there’s the Merriam Webster, then there’s ox- Oxford.

Garrett: Okay. I only looked up one.

Chaz: I know one describes it like on a, on a scientific basis, yes. Water particles touch water particles that makes them wet.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: But if we’re like in every day,

Garrett: Are we the first podcast that has gotten you to admit that water is wet, bro?

Chaz: I’ve said like,

Garrett: Oh, you’ve said it before.

Chaz: To say like in just everyday life, it’s redundant to say that that water is like, it just doesn’t make sense. Like I said, it’s a extreme understatement. Yeah, for sure. Like water is water. It’s greater than just, anyway, go ahead. What is- (laughing)

Garrett: No, the definition is covered or saturated with water or another liquid.

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: yeah, it’s like the hair example is a great example.

Chaz: Thank you. I appreciate it.

Garrett: So Chaz.

Chaz: Anyway, before people start hating me before even getting into the actual important stuff, let’s move on.

Garrett: And then another thing I actually, I was, I was excited to come in and hang out with you cause by the way we’re in Guatemala right now.

Chaz: Si.

Garrett: And so I was excited to hang out with you. And I actually wanted to be able to take out some of your merchandise. Like as we started this conversation I wanted to take out a piece of merch, your march, and sport it during this conversation. So I went to go to go buy a hat, like one of your fresh hats and it said that- I waited too long.

Chaz: Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Garrett: But it was like about to release. Yeah. Yeah. I just switched to another really dope march company that they, they’re doing it differently. It’s really high quality stuff though. For real.

Garrett: Yes. I’m going to get a hat,

Chaz: Thank you.

Garrett: Sometime,

Chaz: Appreciate it.

Garrett: Because I actually did, I liked it a lot.

Chaz: I appreciate it.

Garrett: Um, but I wish I had it here cause that’d be, that’d be cool though. Bust that out.

Chaz: (laughing)

Garrett: And then I just want to say Chaz from, as I speak to you, I speak for like our entire team, um, Fight the New Drug. We have like 12 employees, we’re 12 strong, you know,

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: And we’re definitely team Chaz. We love your stuff. Um, I think there’s only one area that you’ve disappointed us in,

Chaz: Okay.

Garrett: And that,

Chaz: Whats that?

Garrett: That area is that, at least on this trip I asked you if you knew who Maggie Rogers was.

Chaz: I’m sorry.

Garrett: And you, you didn’t know.

Chaz: I dont know who that is.

Garrett: And that’s like our, that’s like our, our girl.

Chaz: I’ll have, you have to put me on after the podcast.

Garrett: Okay, cool.

Chaz: (laughing)

Garrett: No, but in all seriousness, um, thanks. Thanks for being here, Chaz.

Chaz: Thank you.

Garrett: And, um, I think it’d be cool if we got started with, uh, have you ever played this or that?

Chaz: Yes.

Garrett: Okay. So we’re going to, I have some this or that questions and uh, we’ll just start with,

Chaz: Let’s do it!

Garrett: Okay. You Ready?

Chaz: Yes.

Garrett: Introvert or extrovert?

Chaz: Introvert.

Garrett: Okay.

Chaz: Surprisingly, I’m an introvert.

Garrett: Interesting.

Chaz: Like, most people won’t believe that, you know, like I don’t like to put myself in a box. I tend to have introverted tendencies. I guess.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: It really depends on how I’m feeling and who I’m with. Like,

Garrett: Well I’ve noticed, because we’ve been in Guatemala for like a week now,

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: And I’ve noticed that there’s times like you’re, you’re interacting with the group, but then there’s also times that you like zone in and like play some Pokemon or something,

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: Or whatever you’d like.

Chaz: I’m going to talk about that later.

Garret: You,

Chaz: Yeah. I’m going to talk about that in depth later. Like that’s actually really tied to a, I think that’s really tied, you’ll see. Im going to explain later.

Garrett: Cool. Skittles or starburst?

Chaz: Skittles.

Garrett: Um, Lebron or Kyrie.

Chaz: Lebron.

Garrett: Lebron!

Chaz: I like Kyrie though. He actually went to the high school of the middle School I went to and dated one of my friend’s sisters and played for the same AAU I played for when he was,

Garrett: Oh, really?

Chaz: But he played on a, I think he was like 16 and under and I was 14 and under or something like that.

Garrett: Okay. Um, basketball or croquet?

Chaz: Basketball. Croquet? Why was that even a an option?

Garrett: Halo or Pokemon.

Chaz: Oh! Man. Pokemon, for sure. Yeah.

Garrett: Okay. Um, follow up to that question. Pikachu or Charazard?

Chaz: Charazard. Charazards a homie.

Garrett: Spongebob or Rug Rats

Chaz: Sssss, dang. Why did you do that? Why would you do that?

Garrett: (laughing)

Chaz: Spongebob. Yeah.

Garrett: Okay, cool. So this or that, we learned a little bit more about Chaz, but what about some Q and a with FTND.

Chaz: Okay.

Garrett: We’re going to do a quick Q and a

Chaz: Cool.

Garrett: To get to know you a little bit better. Um, when, in high school, Chaz, where you the class clown? The athlete? Or the SBO?

Chaz: SBO?

Garrett: Like, the student body officer.

Chaz: I was actually student body president and on the basketball team.

Garrett: Okay.

Chaz: Um,

Garrett: What about class col-?

Chaz: I was definitely joking around a lot too,

Garrett: Okay.

Chaz: I guess of mix of all three.

Garrett: Interesting. Um, kay. Now, would you rather. We’re jumping in, this is like part of the Q and A

Chaz: I love would you rather, love would you rather so much.

Garrett: Okay. So would you rather get kicked in the stomach by Bruce Lee or punched in the stomach by Mike Tyson.

Chaz: (groans) Bruce Lee, I think, I don’t know. Mike Tyson’s just huge.

Garrett: For sure

Chaz: That, he’d like rearrange a couple of my organs or something. I’d have to,

Garrett: Either way you’re just,

Chaz: Yeah, cause I feel like a kick to the stomach would be like, it would spread it be like a greater surface area. So more of my stomach will be able to take it. Yeah. I’m going to say kick.

Garrett: Hey, that’s actually a really good point.

Chaz: I ain’t trying to take just like a knuckle from Mike Tyson.

Garrett: That’s actually a really good point. Elongate that surface area.

Chaz: There we go.

Garrett: Um, all right, well Chaz jumping into like Fight the New Drug stuff.

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: When did, when did you hear about Fight? And by the way, I don’t know this, like I’m just getting to know you better as well, so it’s kind of fun to have this conversation. What, what year did you,

Chaz: Um, I found out about Fight when, let me see. 2017. About two years ago. La- 2.

2017 a few friends of mine, uh, they took pictures for you guys, like did some photo shoots, um, and posted it on their own social media and like, I was like, okay, what’s this stuff about?

I checked out the profile, I was like, Oh Dang, this is, this is really dope. Like you are sharing an important message in a tasteful way.

Garrett: That was actually my next, my next question was like how did it go from hearing about Fight to being like, okay, I’m on board.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And that was it. That’s what caught your attention.

Chaz: Yeah. And it was crazy. It was like, I was thinking like, Yo, I really want to, I would love to collab with them. And then I think the same day one of you guys reached out like DMed me on Instagram. I was like, what?

Garrett: You’re like, shoot.

Chaz: That’s cool. Okay. All right, let’s do it. So yeah. And then after that, I think, I think y’all sent me some merch and I posted it on Instagram and then,

Garrett: So we reached out and said, hey, will you create a post? That was the first thing?

Chaz: Yeah. You, you said, you, I think you said can we send you some free stuff and uh, post about it, and I was like absolutely.

And then I’m, I made a video last year, 2018.

Garrett: Yeah, that’s what I was gonna say is you’ve done multiple things with us. That’s cool.

Chaz: The podcast. Oh, and then the interview.

Garrett: For the blog, right?

Chaz: Yeah, for the blog. The Podcast. This trip. And then, um, I think there were two times y’all send me stuff. I can’t remember exactly. But yeah.

Garrett: Um speaking about the collaboration that you did for the youtube video that you created.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: Um, can you talk to that a little bit? Like what approach you took?

Chaz: Yeah,

Garrett: We’ll definitely link it with this episode so people can watch it.

Chaz: Yeah. So the approach I took is like, I’ve, this pornography is like something I personally struggled with in my life. Um, like it was an addiction for real, uh, for six, seven years, at least. Um,

Garrett: Quick question. I think, when we were talking about the harmful effects of pornography and if someone has a challenge of pornography, oftentimes we use that word. I know I used that word was like describing my challenge or pornography, but it was more like self diagnosed.Like I never went to a doctor, I never went to to get diagnosed with an addiction.

Chaz: Right.

Garrett: I’m just curious, was yours more like self-diagnosed?

Chaz: Self-diagnosed, yeah. Cause it’s like the same behaviors of somebody who feels like they need to go to alcohol or drugs in order to cope with something.

Like whether you can articulate and explain and understand why you keep going back to this thing, what the roots of it are or whatever. It’s the same behavior. Um, yeah.

Garrett: And that’s what a lot of like cause on this podcast Consider Before Consuming, our goal is to put four things that people can consider before consuming pornography. And we hope that a portion of those people can make a more healthy decision based on those things that they could consider.

Chaz: Yeah. Yeah And the documentary does such a great job,

Garrett: Oh, yea.

Chaz: of depicting that, yeah, and, right, and not like shoving anything down people’s throats or forcing anything upon people but just presenting information and allowing people to discern for themselves, and, yeah.

Garrett: We’re, we’re like very, um, we’re pro like freedom of choice. You do you, we just want people to be able to make an educated decision.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: So going back to, to your experience, it was like you turn to pornography, like was it when you’re sad, when you’re down, when you’re stressed, when you’re bored, what was it for you?

Chaz: Um, it was a mix of stuff, like feeling, it could’ve been anything really. But between being stressed out or depressed or just feeling like, what, what, multiple things man. It like for sure, all I know for sure is that like every time it’s like, it was never really satisfying. It’s like, yeah, it’s just this whole, this like, void that, and then the size increases every time you go back into it’s searching for something that’s not even there.

There’s nothing good about it.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: Like the, what this the moment of pleasure for, you know, being depressed the rest of the day and like, isolated, or, I dont want to talk to people.

Garrett: That’s what I kind of want to talk to them. Cause you talked a little bit about like this, we don’t have to dive too deep into your experience, but like you talked about how in your experience it was like self diagnosed as like addicted.

One of the problems with that that we’re facing today is that people kind of overused the word addiction and it’s a heavy word.

Chaz: Yeah, for real.

Garrett: Right. It’s a heavy word. So I think a lot of our listeners need to realize, like, just because someone looks at pornography doesn’t mean they’re addicted, right?

Chaz: Right. That’s very true. That’s true. But I mean,

Garrett: For you,

Chaz: For me personally, it was like I knew I did not want to do it. I never did want to do it, which is crazy. It’s such a paradox. It’s like, you know, keep continuing to go back to this thing that I hated.

Garrett: Well, one thing I think would be interesting is to know when you were first exposed to pornography,like what age?

Chaz: I think it was, I think eight, and that was before the, like, social media.

Garrett: So you were born in, you were born in 94?

Chaz: Right. This is, I think, yeah. 2002,

Garrett: So ’94,

Chaz: This was before social media was really even a thing. Like my space, maybe existed. When did myspace exist?

Garrett: Yeah, around, I mean, I don’t know the exact year, but Internet was hitting,

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: But it was new, you had, there wasn’t cell phones and it wasn’t like stuff wasn’t really accessible. What I remember, what I saw was, um, uh, there just so happened to be a movie on TV.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: And um, it wasn’t a, an a, it wasn’t like in a, a quote unquote adult film. But there was, the first thing I remember seeing was a, like it was a rape scene when I was like, I didn’t even understand what’s going on, but I knew it was bad.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: And it was like, yeah, it kinda stuck with me, but it was just like, there was that, and then I remember, um, this happened when I was like, with like two babysitters, um, we were on the computer like searching for something and this ad popped up. Like, I don’t know. Anyway, I saw some pop up in the, yeah, those were the first two times I remember seeing any, like,

Garrett: What’s interesting is like I’m like eight years older than you.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And you’re in this very interesting part, like your generation, who, you’re part of the first generation ever in the history of the world to have to do with the harmful effects of pornography to this level of intensity.

Chaz: Right.

Garrett: If you’re born in mid nineties and and forward,

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: And that’s one reason why we named it Fight the New Drug. Pornography has been around forever, but pornography on our pocket with accessibility, affordability and all this is like, it’s a whole new thing. It’s a whole new ball game.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: Another thing I want to mention, because you mentioned briefly, you said like, I don’t, I wouldn’t want to look at it, but I would look at it anyway. And that’s kind of, like, the definition of compulsivity,

Chaz: Right. Exactly. Yeah. That’s why I know it was an, uh, it was an addiction. It was just, yeah.

Garrett: And that’s interesting though, because if we like jump in, not to get too sciency, but like the frontal lobes of the brain, the reward center, it’s like,

Chaz: Right, right, right.

Garrett: It’s almost like our reward centers are hijacked, especially at a young age. We can’t pro- we can think through pros and cons.

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: Anyway.

Chaz: Yeah. So now to,

Garrett: Go ahead.

Chaz: What were you going to say?

Garrett: No, you go ahead.

Chaz: Okay, so to, right off that point, I mentioned Pokemon earlier, right?

Garrett: Oh yeah.

Chaz: What’s wild is I’ve found that, just being totally transparent, I’ve tried to, like, without really realizing it, I’ve used other things to try to replace,

Garrett: Oh yeah.

Chaz: and, like, cope with the absence of,

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: Like the addiction to pornography.

Garrett: Its almost like, like I think the technical term for that because I’m not a doctor, but I think the technical is like, cross addiction, maybe.

Chaz: Hmmm.

Garrett: I think. We’ll have to look at that. like factcheck ourselves, but it’s basically like what you’re saying is like to fill in the space,

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: You could, you’d go to Pokemon?

Chaz: Yeah. Dude, it’s, it sounds so stupid, but like it’s the similarities between, well first let me draw another analogy just to build more I guess context for the listeners. Like the way it works is there’s a desire, you seek out the desire, like there’s a hunger for it, you seek it out, you consume, you satisfied, and then there’s the after effects. Like the emotional effects after.

Like, thinking about like just food, right? You’re hungry, seek out food, or you crave something particular, in particular, you go eat it, you’re satisfied, and then like, you know, maybe you might not feel good after there’s something that you know you shouldn’t be eating. or something like that.

Garrett: Right. Like if you over ate.

Chaz: Right, if you overeat or over consumer, over indulge or just go to something like, or just junk, right? Your body has, it has negative effects on your body, mind, emotions, whatever.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: Um, pornography is the same way at a greater level. That’s removed, and if it’s not dealt with in the most healthy way, then you can try. Then you try to, or like me personally, I’ve like replaced it with gaming. Like that’s, I realize like at times, and again I’m being totally transparent. I’ve never really, I haven’t even, this is the first time I’ve spoken up to somebody about this. Its funny. I don’t know how many people are about to listen to this, but, uh,

Garrett: We, I think honestly I think our audience is and meet myself as well as like very fortunate to hear your experience.

Chaz: Thank you.

Garrett: Because that’s real,

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: And like it’s going to help other people who are experiencing something similar.

Chaz: Part of what’s helping me talk about this as just in watching the documentary, Brain, Heart World, I just realized like there’s really no shame in the struggles that we have.

Garrett: 100%

Chaz: And it’s something I’ve known, but like just watching it, I felt like something was lifted just off of my shoulders. Like, Yo, this is, it’s so liberating to be open and just,

Garrett: Exactly.

Chaz: And it’s crazy because like I was saying about the video I made for you guys before, I spoke openly about, you know, my struggles with like pornography before, like, on my youtube channel. The video I made for y’all was more, it was like my personal story, but the video I made for you guys was more based on data’s statistics, how to fix it,

Garrett: Yeah. I liked your video.

Chaz: Thank you. Um, it was like the typical dark room, but

Garrett: I thought it was very,

Chaz: (laughing)

Garrett: Very creative and very like, it grabbed my attention and I love that, the one thing I loved about that, we’ll link that video as well with this episode, but it’s like you’re like, you’re quiet, like you’re kind of whispering,

Chaz: Mhmmm. (laughing)

Garrett: For me, it grabbed my attention and it kept my attention.

Chaz: Cool. Yeah

Garrett: So anyways, more,

Chaz: I tried to act, try to keep, I tried to add some humor into it too. So it wasn’t just all like, why is he dropping this bomb? I just came here just to laugh.

Garrett: For sure.

Chaz: So there’s still humor in it, but, yeah. Educational. But um, so yeah, back to this gaming thing is like, I realize at times and it has, I recognize like just a couple of things about it. Um, it has very similar effects on me socially. Um, emotionally and mentally. Mentally, like there’s a compulsivity. Like if I’m, if I start to feel, if there’s something like, I don’t know, just, just different, I started getting stressed out about things that I have going on or have to do. It’s like my escape, like the compulsivity, like I gotta go to this and then that takes me out of whatever is going on.

I’m able to just be locked in right to the screen. I’m not consciously thinking that. It’s just like when I go to to feel better, like it’s not, it’s never a conscious thought. Rarely, maybe. But there’s that, the compulsivity mentally, um, emotionally like after playing for hours I’ll realized, dag, I really just wasted five hours on this stupid game that adds nothing to my life.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: And I’ll try to justify like, no, I had fun. (laughing) No, no, this is terrible. And third, like socially I just isolate myself from people, not only in the moment, but after like I wouldn’t even realize there’s a similar shame to, like, once I’d come back out of this hole in this game for hours, like on my computer or phone or whatever. Like once I get around people again its like, I wouldn’t even realize it, but I’d feel kind of ashamed and thats when I’d be more introverted. Like, even just around you guys. There was like a few days, like the first few days it was just, yeah, I realized like, Yo, this is, I couldn’t even really explain it, but I recognize that’s what was happening and I’m like, there are times where I’ve thought literally, Yo, this is like porn.

Garrett: Yeah

Chaz: This is horrible.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: I don’t even really want to do this. But um, you know, like it’s, what else, its that kind of thinking? It’s almost like, what else am I going to do? It’s ridiculous.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: It this, it’s like an addiction. So I’d, like, it’s crazy. After I watched the documentary last night, I was like, Yo, I really, as I was watching, I was like, I did not realize how much, how correlated this was and I deleted all of it. I was like, Yo, I’m done.

Garrett: You deleted what?

Chaz: Like, the game.

Garrett: Oh, you did?

Chaz: Yeah, it was ridic, like, it was too much. It was just too clear. Like, Yo, this is exactly, this isn’t another form of an addiction.

Garrett: One simple way to define addiction is if you do something chronically and compulsively,

Chaz: Mhmm

Garrett: So over this big duration of time, you do it chronically and compulsively,

Chaz: Yeah

Garrett: Then that’s like a very simple way to like to define anaddiction. And so you mentioned like food addiction or you mentioned gaming, we mentioned pornography,

Chaz: Its crazy that gaming is even in that category because,

Garrett: Oh, for sure. 100%

you don’t really, it like, because people think of addiction as just physical consumption.

Garrett: Yeah. Like putting a new substance into your

Chaz: Right, but it’s all connected to your brain.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: It’s not just like food or a drink or some, yeah, some drug or substance. It’s deeper than just the physical level. It’s affecting your brain directly. So of course it would make sense that pornography can have the same effect that gaming could havethe same effect that, I don’t know, there’s probably other things that come to mind.

Garrett: There’s almost like infinite amount of possible addictions. Right?

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And we all engage in, there’s like escapism.

Chaz: Right.

Garrett: It’s almost like, I think sometimes you’re explaining it, you see busy using movies or shopping like is, yeah. And pornography is just one of them.

Chaz: Right. Which has, like of course the affects are far greater on a lot,

Garrett: Well,

Chaz: It can be.

Garrett: To like kind of, playing devil’s advocate, like some friendly skepticism, right, toward towards that statement is like, um, I think some people would say that, well the thing is is it depends on the individual cause we’re all so unique. I think as a, as a society we need to recognize that all these different types of addictions, like we’ve mentioned possible addictions.

Chaz: Yeah, no, I definitely agree that like we’ll have different effects on people. But like, just looking at the facts and statistics, gaming isn’t affecting the world in the way that pornography is. Like,

Garrett: That’s true. That’s a true statement.

Chaz: Yeah, like millions of people aren’t being stolen from their families,

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: and their bodies being sold and use against their will and videos being made of them that they do not want to be in, like humiliated, shamed, abused. Like gaming doesn’t do that to people.

Garrett: So go into another question I have for you is like, once again, the name of the podcast is Consider Before Consuming.

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: What do you wish people truly understood like about this movement or about the harmful effects of pornography,

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: Um, that they might not really understand at first? Look, you kind of expand your explaining like sexual exploitation in sex trafficking and how it’s linked to pornography.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: What is it for you? Like what is it for you that the average user might not understand but you wish they understood so that they can make an educated decision.

Chaz: In a single statement to sum it all up, I’d say that this destroys relationships. And like, that’s in a single statement, but the depth of what that statement means. Like, I don’t think people are really aware of, when I say relationship, it’s like we are relational people.

It totally takes away what makes us human. It, I don’t just mean romantic relationships, but I mean even understanding and fully comprehending with your heart what it means to be another, what it means to be human and how you view other human beings. Like if you think it’s,

Garrett: Dude, that is,

Chaz: You know, that’s important. That’s deep.

Chaz: Yeah. And it gets so much deeper than that. I’m like, this is just like just scraping the butter off the surface or whatever. I don’t know. I, why did I say that? That was weird. Okay

Garrett: (laughing)

Chaz: (laughing) Just the, this is the surface.

Garrett: Top level. This is the top of the iceberg. The top of the butter stick.

Chaz: There we go. I was thinking more of like, more like a butter container, you know, like can’t believe it’s not butter like that. That’s what the image came up, anyway.

Garrett: We need to have another asked about if that really is butter. Just joking. Keep going.

Chaz: It is good. I don’t care. Um, the vegan kind. The vishaan kind, to pronounce it incorrectly. um,

Garrett: That’s what Chaz is famous.

But um, yeah. This, just to really understand what that actually means. It destroys relationships. It takes something that’s supposed to be good and healthy. You know, it’s, I’m having trouble explaining. I hope I’ll be explaining.

Garrett: No, you are, you are explaining it well and it’s like, it’s tough to explain, but one thing that’s like kind of obvious if you really start to think about it is like someone, when someone consumes pornography, they’re not interacting with a human.

Chaz: Yeah. Even,

Garrett: They’re interacting with an object.

Again, it destroys relationships. Like it’s,

Garrett: You know what else is interesting? It also forms relationships.

Chaz: Oh.

Garrett: You know what I think,

Chaz: Elaborate please,

Garrett: Cause you start to form a relationship with pixels, and you start to form a relationship with your phone.

Chaz: Mmmm.

Garrett: It’s like your social media is an extension of yourself, right? You’re here present with me physically.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: But your social media is out there talking.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And it’s almost like you have this as an extension of yourself. And I wonder if like pornography destroys some relationships. It can destroy some relationships, and also it forms unhealthy relationships.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: Yeah. It’s interesting.

Chaz: Yeah. I mean like if you think about it, it is a form of relationship. You’re relating to something but it’s not human. Like,

Garrett: And you know, they’ve actually done studies on this where they put a like, I think it’s like an FMRI machine. Like they hook your brain up and then they’ll show someone an image, like an explicit image of pornography and the part of the brain that lights up isn’t in this study, isn’t the part that lights up with like human interaction. It’s the parts that light, lights up when you engage with, um, an object.

Chaz: Thats,

Garrett: And you know what’s interesting is like you start to compare, like when you’re talking about romantic relationships in sexuality and healthy sexuality.

Chaz: Wow.

Garrett: It’s like you start to think, you start to, I’m trying,

Chaz: You associate,

Garrett: Yes.

Chaz: You associate objects with pleasure,

Garrett: With people as well.

Chaz: But the, but the object is an image of a person, therefore it’s distorting your image of people

Garrett: Exactly, about people. Yeah.

Chaz: That’s crazy.

Garrett: So you’re onto something.

Chaz: Its liter- Its actual objectification like this. I hate using buzzwords like that, like objectification. Ah, what else? Where, unapologetic, I, hate words like that. It’s just overused, but,

Garrett: This is, like uh, the right time to use that word.

Chaz: Yeah. Like that is literally objectification. It’s, it rewires your brain.

Garrett: Yeah. That’s interesting. And so from eight years old and you were looking at, you saw like a TV show.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And in your what, 2002. So the first version of the smartphone came out in 2007. Just to give, like, a little timeline here.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: How did that kind of progress for you to do it more challenging for you when you got,

Chaz: No, so I didn’t start watching pornography until I was 17 but I’d like just in terms of like just my resistance, like the wall I put up against it, the meta- metaphoric wall I put up against it started to be whittled away just through conversations that I’d have with, like, or just overhearing stuff w with friends or people. Other people justifying it.

Garrett: Well it’s interesting cause like,

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: That process of, it sounds like, I don’t know, I’m not a therapist, but it’s like a little bit of like desensitization.

Chaz: Exactly. That’s exactly what I’m trying to say. Yeah.

Over, it happened like over the span of what, like five, six years though. It was a very slow process of the desensitization, but it turned into an addiction. It’s crazy cause people don’t really think that just little instances can really affect them. But if you look down the road, if you’d, like, however many years down the road, you look back, you’re like, Yo, how did I get here? It’s these little individual moments that move the tick mark further and further in another direction. The opposite direction.

Garrett: One thing that I hope our listeners would consider before consuming is that. How gradual this process can be? Because I think a lot of people when they hear about the harmful effects of pornography, it’s like, well yeah, I’m fine. Like I’m fine, I’m doing fine, I’m looking at porn, but I’m doing fine.

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: And I think it’s cool. Kind of what you’re saying is like this gradual process and then you look back, you’re like, how did I get here?

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: You know, it’s interesting. So I hope that, the listeners out there, hope they would consider that, um, to use, like, the frontal lobes, that decision making every, the brain and be like, ya, like this can progress in an a very unhealthy way. But very gradually,

Chaz: Yo, something that really hit me watching the documentary was, uh, there was a statement about like the connection between your frontal lobe and, what, your pleasure,

Garrett: Your reward.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: Your pleasure center or reward center.

Chaz: And it has how like the frontal lobe is the, the system that checks and balances. You know what,

Garrett: It’s like, it weighs out like

Chaz: Right.

Garrett: Pros and cons,

Chaz: Right. This phrase that hit me was like, it’s like wearing out the brake pads as you get desensitized. Like that was, it was such a clear image the way it was explained. Um, how,

Garrett: so you’re like your reward centers, the driver, but your frontal lobes are the brakes.

Chaz: Right.. And the steering wheel.

Garrett: Yeah, the steering wheel, right?

Chaz: Yeah. The rewards centers the destination and try to go, or something. I don’t know. Yo whatever. Anyway,

Garrett: Watch the documentary.

Chaz: Watch the documentary!

Garrett: We’ll link that as well.

Chaz: Listen, please watch the documentary, for real. Like

Garrett: What was your favorite episode?

Chaz: 2

Garrett: Because

Chaz: Hard,

Garrett: there’s three parts.

Chaz: Heart

Garrett: Brain, Heart, World,

Chaz: Heart.

Garrett: Right.

Chaz: Cause it, like just, the way it broke down relationships and just explained like, Brain and Heart are still 100% about relationships as well.

Garrett: Right? It’s almost like,

Chaz: yeah.

Garrett: The first two,

Chaz: I mean brain and world. I said brain and heart. Yeah. Heart, it’s Brain, Heart, World. Heart is pr- specifically about relationships, but Brain and World are, like,

Garrett: Also about,

Chaz: Yeah, they’re all like,

Garrett: Its all relationships.

Chaz: Right. It’s like that episode hit me the hardest. Like the, the facts about, you know, about how it affects the world is crazy. Like heartbreaking.

Brain was about like how it affects you personally in getting, into like introducing it to you. It’s like scientifically to understand what’s going on emotionally with you, mentally, whatever, but how that affects the way you interact with people and influence the world and how the world influences you, all that stuff. I think that’s like we, like I said, we were meant to interact with other people and to love and serve one another.

It just, the way that pornography affects that and destroys it, and manipulates it, and just perverts it, every, whatever word you could think of, whatever synonyms,

Garrett: right.

Chaz: Open your thesaurus or whatever, it’s, it was just amazing.

Garrett: That’s so, I love the documentary. I’ve, I’ve watched the documentary several times and I every time I love it.

Chaz: Right? And it’s not like as heavy as I thought it was going to be.

Garrett: I know. It’s what I love about it.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And so one of the things I always like, if I’m talking about the documentary, I really try to get the point across that this is not your typical documentary about pornography.

Chaz: I don’t like documentaries. I really was not, I mean I know it’s important, but I honestly wasn’t really looking forward to watching the documentary cause like, stuff like this tends to be heavy and dark, and you know, it kinda like puts you in a certain mood.

Garrett: Yeah. You must walk away like, a little bit depressed.

Chaz: Exactly. But this was not like that at all. Like I don’t even like watching documentaries. I do not. Most documentaries bore me. I can’t sit still for that long.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: And pay attention. Like I have to like get myself to be interested in whatever I’m learning about in order to enjoy most documentaries. Right.

Garrett: That’s,

Chaz: I would watch this again.

Garrett: That’s cool.

Chaz: Like, for real, it was that good, and entertaining too. Like

Garrett: It is.

Chaz: Like, it’s not just all information. It’s not just like, okay, let me go sit down and learn real quick. Like, its not even like that

Garrett: It’s funny. Like I honestly laugh out loud sometimes and then I learned something.

Chaz: Yeah. Um, I really want to encourage people to go check this out for real. Brain, Heart, World. Please

Garrett: Yeah. We, we will yeah link that in this episode in the show notes.

Um, the, um, Fighter Pledge. I’m going to read off the attributes. There’s nine attributes,

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: And I want you to tell me a couple that are like your favorite.

Chaz: Alright.

Garrett: Okay,

Chaz: Cool.

Garrett: So as a Fighter, I am bold, I am strong, I am real. I am understanding, I am open-minded. I am a rebel. I’m a true lover. I’m accepting, I’m encouraging.

Chaz: I like bold, real and understanding the most.

Garrett: Cool.

Chaz: Sorry. Explain why.

Garrett: Yeah, for sure. I want to know why

Chaz: (Laughing) Bold because I just really feel like that’s been a word that’s been just relevant in my life recently, especially over the past couple of years, just to be bolder.

Um, for example, in something that I’ve kind of struggled with a lot is, uh, worrying about criticism from other people who people think, I’m assuming that they think about me certain ways. So I have to like live in act, um, based on assumptions from other people or always feeling like I need to try to explain myself. I really just been letting that go.

It feels so, it’s, that it’s so freeing. Like just coming to a point where I truly believe that I don’t need to explain myself to everybody. My motives can be misunderstood, my heart can be misjudged by people, but I know like, but knowing where I actually stand and just being able to,

Garrett: that will allow you to go farther,

Chaz: Yea.

Garrett: If you’re like taking care of yourself and being real with yourself.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: Take you far.

Chaz: Just stepping into another level of boldness in, in that like just letting go of people pleasing all that stuff.

Um, the second real, um, like I said, transparency is powerful. Like people, it takes more strength to show your scars than to hide them. And cause also it’s healthier just show your scars because then it not only helps you heal because they need to be exposed in order to heal, like your wounds that need to be exposed in order to heal, but other people seeing your scars, you can help them be more transparent and real as well.

Um, yeah, that’s, that’s a very powerful thing to do. It’s not like talking about talking about your emotions and whatever. Like emotion, scars, wounds, whatever. Trauma from the past. It’s not,

Garrett: We shouldn’t repress those emotions.

Chaz: Yeah. People think that’s like a punk thing to like make it, men shouldn’t do that, you just just deal with it, keep it moving, keep walking like, nah, that’s because what happens is it stays closed off, gets infected and then you’re affecting other people because of your pain and you don’t even realize it.

Like that’s another buzz word. Toxic masculinity like this.

Garrett: For sure.

Chaz: I mean actually though like that’s,

Garrett: That definitely is a buzzword right now. But I think what we’re all about is like healthy masculinity,

Chaz: yeah,

Garrett: Right. And a part of the healthy masculinity,

Chaz: Or just healthy humanity, period.

Garrett: Yeah, It doesn’t matter what your gender is or isn’t, but it’s like, expression,

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: And vulnerability.

Chaz: Yeah,

Garrett: Those are healthy.

Chaz: Yeah. And it’s crazy cause people don’t want to do it, and think it’s like just a weak thing to do. But if you really think about it when people open up, even, like I’ve seen like, even the hardest, the people you think you are like the hardest, toughest guys will appreciate that too ,

Garrett: Oh, for sure.

Chaz: Like, and when they do it, even more, people are like, yo, this is, like just, I wish we could just break that mindset of, you know, and let people know that there’s no, there’s no shame in sharing what you’ve, what you’re going, what your struggling with, what you’ve been, what you’ve been through. Because a lot of people struggle with stuff in silence.

Garrett: We all do.

Chaz: Yeah. And think that they’re the only one going through it,

Garrett: Exactly,

Chaz: Or they won’t get help, or they’ll end up coping with it in a horrible, unhealthy way. And then it affects the other people around them.

Garrett: And it almost brings like this sense of hopelessness.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: So it’s like, I guess another thing as we’re talking about things to consider, it’s like consider being vulnerable.

Chaz: Yeah. Real, being real and vulnerable I think go hand in hand. And boldness too is for real, like that’s part of it. Also, you gotta be bold to open up about stuff. At least even if you are timid about it. Like just starting to talk about something can help so much. A

nd then the last one was, uh, understanding, um, something. I’ve also been learning recently, uh, is just learning to listen more. Um and not, yeah, just, accept people’s experiences or their perception of their experiences as they are rather than trying to explain them for myself or try to make sense to them or, because, I f- I don’t know if people can relate to this. Maybe. I’m guessing people probably can, but there are times where somebody might share an experience or say something that I don’t agree with, and I feel like I have to have a reason and I have to be able to come up with a reason in my mind about why that doesn’t make sense or is not true. But really what I’m doing is trying to validate what I believe to be true.

And I don’t need, I’m learning like I don’t need to prove somebody else wrong, whether they, even if they are wrong, I don’t need to prove somebody else wrong in order to validate what I know to be right.

Garrett: 100%

Chaz: Um.

Garrett: One of my favorite quotes is that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

Chaz: A man convinced against his will,

Garrett: Is of the same opinion still. So it’s like there’s zero convincing, you know what you’re saying is like if someone, if you disagree with someone’s opinion, you’re now what you’re kind of, the approach you’re trying to take is like just be understanding and not try to convince them.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: To me that quote, it’s very freeing.

Chaz: Mhmm.

Garrett: That’s a quote that I’ve always repeated since I was very young, and my mom taught it to me. It’s just like um, a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. It’s like don’t convince anyone of anything.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: You can,

Chaz: Explain, like present information like, what you guys are doing like share what you know, factual.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: And which you know is impacted you in such a powerful loving, awesome way.

Garrett: Yeah.

Chaz: But allow them to have the free choice.

Garrett: Exactly.

Chaz: Is better, even if you know, it will be better for them to choose this.

Garrett: But, would it be better for them? Cause I feel like each person,

Chaz: Yeah,

Garrett: We all have to go through own stuff and sometimes going through stuff is what’s better for us. You know? So it’s almost like a timeline. We’re impatient or like we want it now. It’s better for you to be this way. And yeah it is technically, but maybe a like a bigger vision is like, maybe it’s better for them to walk a thorny path, you know what I’m saying? Or like walk and I dunno have some struggles because that’s where we learn.

Chaz: Yeah. A lot of times like if I hadn’t gone through this struggle the way I did, I wouldn’t be able to talk about it,

Garrett: 100%

Chaz: Right now or either.

Garrett: And you’re like going back again, this is like a theme of this podcast is like we’re jumping to like things to consider as like, that’s another thing to consider for our, all of our listeners is like if you have this struggle, you should be grateful, that you have to have this struggle.

The reason why, Chaz, for example, when you posted the video for us on Youtube, I was looking at, like, the views, and I was looking at the likes and the ratio from likes to dislikes, and you had like eight if I did the math right, it was like 8.3 of your viewers from that video, like that video. And that’s great engagement. And then like less than 1% said like the thumbs down, you know? And so the reason why I think that’s important to know is like, you, because of your challenge, you’ve been able to help other people. And if you didn’t have this challenge, maybe you’d be able to talk to it

Chaz: Uh-huh.

Garrett: But I don’t think people would be as receptive.

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: So I think that’s cool.

Chaz: Yeah. I think like, I guess, sometimes we’re afraid to, or we expect to, just walk through life unstained by life, but this is a broken world. Like of course there’s going to be stuff that we’re going to struggle with and go through and I guess in the midst of it, be thinking about, all right, I will get through this. How will I be able to help others?

Chaz: I will get through this. That’s key man, because I think a lot of people have tried so many times to get through it.

Chaz: Uh huh.

Garrett: And there’s a like a little bit of lack of hope.

Chaz: Yeah. Try being vulnerable with people, try being bold.

Garrett: There you go, I liked that solution.

Chaz: Realness. Like expose it. And, mo- mold only grows in the darkness.

Garrett: Good point.

Chaz: Shine some light on that thing. That’s what my, that’s what my phone case says. Shine light.

Garrett: Yeah. I like that. And Dude, you’re always shining light to be honest.

Chaz: Thank you man. That’s,

Garrett: You’re a good person.

Chaz: Thank you so much. Oh my. Just what I’ve always, that’s why I wanted,

Garrett: Your smile is contagious, your laugh is contagious, you’re,

Chaz: Thanks bro.

Garrett: You’re multifaceted, I think a lot of people will see your videos. Probably think that you’re just the comedian.

Chaz: Just a loud dude who zooms in on his face, pronounces things wrong.

Garrett: Yeah, exactly. You have over a million followers on your social media platform, right?

Chaz: Yeah.

Garrett: It’s like, dang,

Chaz: thank you.

Garrett: You, yeah. You’ve kept humility. You’ve kept gratitude.

Chaz: Thank you man.

Garrett: And I love that.

Chaz: Appreciate it.

Garrett: And there’s other things too. I mean, just interactions you have with these people here. I can just tell that you’re sincere. Um,

Chaz: Shout out to my parents though,

Garrett: For sure.

Chaz: Did a pretty good job I guess

Garrett: Because your, are your mom and dad proud of you?

Chaz: I think so. Yeah.

Chaz: They should be man. They should be.

Chaz: They are.

Garrett: Good parents.

Well, Chaz, spreading great conversation man. The last thing a I want to say is once again, Fight the New Drug, our team, we are definitely team Chaz.

Chaz: Thank you man.

Garrett: We are so excited to see where you go in life and um, know that we always got your back. So for all of our listeners out there like go hit up, we’re going to link everything. Go hit up Chaz’s channel and like throw some love to Chaz because he loves that support too.

Chaz: And if you’re listening to their podcast for the first time, it’s the first time you heard about Fight the New Drug, please go check out their stuff too. Uh, yeah, it will totally change the way you see a lot. For real. Please do it.

Garrett: What would be the one thing, should be the, sh- Like if you can recommend they go check out one thing would, be the website, fightthenewdrug.org, would it be the documentary, or the Fighter Pledge?

Chaz: Yes. (laughing)

Garrett: All three. There we go. Perfect.

Chaz: Start off with the something light, with the Instagram, right? They got, just check out. Peep the IG.

Garrett: Coo.

Chaz: Yeah, they got like some just, I guess if you’re the type person, whether you want to dive into the deep end immediately, or just wade to the water. Instagram was like get spoon-fed with some posts here and there and like take your time.

The documentary is like, above the, whole, my gosh, I wish I had watched it sooner. Um, it’s, it’s so dope and again, it’s not like heavy. You won’t leave feeling depressed, youll leave feeling inspired and encouraged and like if you feel any shame that will be likely either just diminished or entirely gone through that.

Garrett: Um, Chaz last question. Um, is it challenging for you to say you’re welcome? Cause the reason I ask this weird question is because I want to say thanks again for being here, Bro. You didn’t have to come.

Chaz: You’re you’re, you (struggling)

Garrett: He can’t say it folks! He can’t say it.

Chaz: I’d rather say thank you. I don’t know I but, I think that’s,

Garrett: I think it’s healthy to say you’re welcome, right?

Thanks, Chaz, for being here.

Chaz: You’re welcome.

Garrett: There you go.

Chaz: I feel like I need to say thank though, you know like it’s, I know we can talk about that after the podcast honestly, but I really, I could recognize that as we were talking too.

Garrett: Yeah, for sure.

Chaz: I kept saying thank you. Like, I don’t,

Garrett: I think it’s important for you to say you’re welcome because it really is. I mean we benefit a lot from what you’re doing with us. And when I say we, I mean our Fighters like, our, we have lots of Fighters over the world and we’re benefiting from a fellow Fighter, from you and so,

Chaz: You are welcome.

Garrett: There we go. That’s a good way to end it. Chaz is out.

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