Garrett: What’s up, people? I’m Garrett Jonsson and you’re listening to Consider Before Consuming, a podcast by Fight the New Drug. Today’s conversation is with Shanelle Connell. She’s a dating coach, entrepreneur, actress and a social media influencer. During this conversation, Shanelle talks about the importance of critical thinking and why she’s anti pornography and at the same time sex positive, um, and how to be tactful when discussing the harmful effects of pornography and sexual exploitation. So overall, it was a great conversation, but that being said, we hope you enjoy this episode. Consider Before Consuming.

We want to welcome to the podcast, Shanelle Connell, welcome to the podcast.

Shanelle: Hi, I’m so happy to be here.

Garrett: Yeah, we’re happy to have you. So, uh, thanks for taking the time to sit down with us.

Shanelle: I could not be more excited to talk to you guys about all you do and get to know a little bit more about what you guys are like [laughter].

Garrett: For sure…

Shanelle: Sorry I don’t know what I’m saying, can we cut that out?
Garrett: No, we’re going to leave that part. [Laughter] No, I think it’s important because like you said, you said, “Get to know what you guys are like” and the reality is, it’s like, that’s part of, that’s part of building a relationship is, uh, is getting to know each other.

Shanelle: True.

Garrett: And so we’re, uh, excited to…

Shanelle: Yeah, I feel like I only know you guys via like DM and email, so it’s nice to put a voice to everything.

Garrett: Yeah, for sure. Well, I’m just one of the voices, we have a little teen here that are, um, a huge play roles, played big roles in this process of educating on the harmful effects of pornography. So yeah. We are lucky to have you on. You’re currently in, are you in Vancouver?

Shanelle: I am in Colona, British Columbia, so about four hours away from Vancouver.

Garrett: Okay.

Shanelle: But if you like wine, we have a lot of wine here.

Garrett: Really?

Shanelle: Yeah, it’s wine country. It’s kind of like a Napa Valley, but in Canada.

Garrett: That sounds pretty.

Shanelle: Yeah.

Garrett: My wife and I, we drove up to Banff, Canada.

Shanelle: Oh, okay.

Garrett: And then we drove across the country to Vancouver.

Shanelle: Got it.

Garrett: And then this one time I rode my bicycle from Vancouver, Canada to the bottom of Washington. So I’ve seen, and then I’ve been to Toronto and to Hamilton.

Shanelle: Yeah. I wonder if you’ve been through Colona then? No, you wouldn’t need to for Washington. My ex used to drive all the way up from Silverdale to come see me in Colona.

Garrett: Where is Silverdale?

Shanelle: Um, it’s just like a ferry ride out of Seattle who was in the Navy.

Garrett: Gotcha.

Shanelle: And so I know that route decently well.

Garrett: It’s pretty.

Shanelle: t’s very pretty. It is very nice.

Garrett: Cool. Well, um, we are excited to get to know you Shanelle. Um, you’ve done a lot with Fight the New Drug, um, and we appreciate you doing your part in the movement and we really couldn’t do it without you and people like you. So thanks.

Shanelle: Well, I appreciate that you guys like, let me join in on the conversation and on the movement and be an advocate and that you trusted what I had to say and my words with something that can be a very sensitive topic but also shouldn’t be taboo to talk about.

Garrett: Well, I actually really love your posts. I can tell that you put a lot of time into them. You don’t just throw it out there on spur of the moment.

Shanelle: I can’t do anything like half. I have to go and 100%. I’m a very all or nothing person, which gets me into trouble sometimes. Sometimes I just like dropped the ball. If my perfectionism isn’t there other times I’ll knock it out of the park. So I’m trying to find that middle ground.

Garrett: For sure. Yeah, no, every, I read a book once and it talks about how every strength has a balcony and a basement. Oh, like a, that’s how they put it.

Shanelle: Okay.

Garrett: Like, uh, the pros and cons of a strength. So your perfectionism, like you said, there’s, there’s pros and cons, but we, uh, we enjoy it. Your, your posts are great.

Shanelle: Thank you.

Garrett: So we’ll make sure to, um, link to your social media accounts.

Shanelle: I appreciate that.

Garrett: So that our fighters, our audience who is listening, they can also benefit from your posts.

Shanelle: I welcome anybody and everybody to my page. It’s all about love and relationships and dating. So I feel like it was a very natural fit with Fight the New Drug because promoting healthy, um, partnerships is a huge part of why I talk about.

Garrett: That’s great. Um, you mentioned that you recently released some products. You said yesterday was so busy because you’re releasing some content or some products.

Shanelle: I did. Yeah. So I just, um, launched my company, it’s called created for love and you can find us on creativeforlove.ca but I launched the very first, um, tear of my business cause I have kind of a three to five tier business plan. And the first of that is products that help, um, enhance your relationships and love life as well as make your single time’s a little bit more enjoyable.

Garrett: Cool.

Shanelle: So their products with all like cheeky or funny sayings that are relationship or um, single-focused as well as some of them actually have helpful tools. Like I have a little coffee tumbler that you can take to a coffee shop and it has relationship status checkboxes on them that say single taken. And then the one that’s checked is open to you asking me out for coffee.

Garrett: Nice.

Shanelle: And I was like, you know, if you find a cute guy or gal, like you could just take it, twist it.

Garrett: It’s the perfect mug. [laughter]

Shanelle: [laughter] Yeah, exactly.

Garrett: That’s cool. I like that.

Shanelle: Thank you.

Garrett: Well, one thing that we’ve noticed as we’ve followed you Shanelle, is that you’re very positive and, um, we love that about you. We love that you’re just pushing positivity into the world. So that’s cool.

Shanelle: I appreciate that. I try to leave people better off than I found them 110% of the time.

Garrett: That’s a good goal. So before we get started and talk about the harmful effects of pornography and sexual exploitation, we wanted our audience to get to know you a little bit better.

Shanelle: Totally. Let’s do it.

Garrett: And so I wanted to ask, what is one of the biggest accomplishments that you’ve had that you’re proud of?

Shanelle: Oh my goodness. I feel like I’ve had many different kinds of accompliment… accomplishments. If I could talk, apparently talking is not one of them, [laughter] uh, that are all from different sectors. Like I’m very proud obviously, of what I’m doing with my products and finally launching a business that I’ve thought about and planned for three plus years. Um, but other accomplishments that I would say I’m extremely proud of are a couple of years back around for Miss Universe Canada.

Garrett: Wow.

Shanelle: Yeah, it was really fun but definitely probably one of the most uh, trying and learning, um, focused experiences of my life. I learnt a lot about how much I could actually handle in terms of stress and how to appropriately multitask and keep your head on straight cause I was in the thick of university when I entered into pageantry and being that I’m only 5’ 3” making it to top 20 and then also being nominated for the humanitarian award was a really big deal to me because I felt like I defied odds for myself that I wasn’t and that was a really um, cool moment for me and like self-esteem building as well as a confidence.

Garrett: That’s awesome. What is a, the average height, you mentioned you were 5’ 3” What’s the average height when you if you go to Miss Universe?

Shanelle: I think the smallest woman, I believe that was Olivia Culpo was 5’ 4” or 5’ 5”, but normally they will not allow you to enter into the miss universe pageants worldwide unless you are five, seven and above. There are some countries that have height stipulations.

Garrett: Really. That’s interesting. What are your thoughts on that?

Shanelle: I don’t like it. [laughter] First of all, it just makes things hard for shorter women like myself.

Garrett: Right.

Shanelle: Um, but it, it’s frustrating when you see so much, um, focus on promoting body positivity in different body shapes when the modeling industry and pageantry industry is still very stigmatized towards height.

Garrett: Right.

Shanelle: So you can have a curvier woman in a pageant now and they can, uh, place quite high. And I think that’s amazing, but short woman still can’t and that needs to be worked on.

Garrett: That’s very interesting. Well, that’s a cool accomplishment. Yeah. You can learn a lot of good skills and in the life of pageants. So yeah, that’s cool.

Shanelle: I recommend it. It is not for the faint of heart, but you learn a lot and it can be very confidence building if you meet the right people and stick with who you are.

Garrett: Be true to yourself. Huh?

Shanelle: Yeah, exactly.

Garrett: That’s true. Well, what’s one thing that you haven’t accomplished yet that you want to accomplish in your life?

Shanelle: Oh man. I would actually love to be an actress. Um, but I feel I am on the path to accomplishing that. I would say I’m an actress right now, but I mean like a well known one, you know.

Garrett: Cool.

Shanelle: Um, and a family, I really want a family. But I have to find a guy first, so… [laughter]

Garrett: For sure. Cool. Um, what about your favorite book? Do you have a favorite book?

Shanelle: I don’t know if I have a favorite book, but I have a favorite genre. Like I really love self-help dating books. Big shocker there.

Garrett: Self-help dating that’s right in line with your brand.

Shanelle: Yes. Yeah, I can consume those, um, probably within a day or two.

Garrett: Nice. So when you date a guy, is he required to follow along with these, this book club that you have?

Shanelle: No. Um, that then he would know all my secrets though.

Garrett: That’s true. It’s strategic.

Shanelle: Yeah. You’ve got gotta be really strategic.

Garrett: Okay. So now that we were getting to know you a little bit better, we want to play a little bit of a, a game called This or That. I’m sure you’ve played it before.

Shanelle: Yes. I love it. Let’s do it.

Garrett: Okay. So we’ll run through a couple these questions.

Shanelle: Okay.

Garrett: Um, are you a cat person or a dog? Person?

Shanelle: Dogs, but I love cats. They’re cute. But dogs,

Garrett: Um, cardio or weights?

Shanelle: Weights. I used to hate cardio. I’m getting better now, but weight training is where it’s at for me.

Garrett: Nice. Music or podcasts?

Shanelle: Podcasts. I feel like I learn a lot more when I’m putting my time into listening to a podcast.

Garrett: You’re all about that productivity.

Shanelle: Yeah. I just, it’s the efficiency. I don’t have a lot of time in my life, so as much as I can consume knowledge, I’m going to listen to a podcast.

Garrett: Nice. Do you prefer, you’ve talked about reading, do you prefer books or eBooks?

Shanelle: Uh, can we add a third option?

Garrett: Yes.

Shanelle: Can we do audio books?

Garrett: Yes.

Shanelle: I don’t read well. Like, I am the kind of person who will read the same paragraph four times over cause I just can’t keep track…

Garrett: To grasp the concept?

Shanelle: I need the audio and I that I retain everything so much better, which wasn’t great in university for me. But they are introducing audio books for textbooks now, which is kind of cool. I think they need to do more of that.

Garrett: What was your degree in by the way?

Shanelle: Psychology.

Garrett: That’s great.

Shanelle: Yeah. Oh fun fact. I just got accepted into a masters of counseling program.

Garrett: That’s exciting.

Shanelle: Yes.

Garrett: That’s so cool. Good for you. So what are you going to do? What, what, what are you going to do once you get your masters?

Shanelle: That is part of my three to five, two year process with my business. So I do plan on putting out um, coaching courses. But then I also plan on having, um, appropriate counseling, uh, resources online that are more affordable than some, especially for couples.

Garrett: I love them. I just had a conversation with a, an individual who spent, they said they spent $20,000 on their, uh, recovery. And so I think that what you’re doing is necessary making something that’s more affordable.

Shanelle: Thank you. Yeah, that’s a, I see it so often where people don’t go get the help that they might need or might want. And it’s… like in Canada we have relatively free health care. There is, um, still certain stipulations for like prescriptions and everything, but sometimes counseling just isn’t covered under certain people’s, um, insurance plans. And it makes me really sad because it often comes at the time where people are, uh, either financially strapped or just don’t have the means to go and get that, uh, therapy or the counseling and being able to give them an alternative option that’s being funded, um, through different routes within my business in order for the counselors to be paid appropriately, but also provide at cost counseling for a client is huge to me.

Garrett: That is, that is great. That’s a great idea. Great thoughts.

Shanelle: Thank you.

Garrett: Yeah. Um, so jumping into Fight the New Drug stuff and discussing the harmful effects of pornography. I guess the first question I wanna ask Chanel is, when was the first time in your life that you experienced some of the negative impacts of pornography?

Shanelle: Yeah. Um, I personally have never watched it myself, but in middle school, um, we had a student that struggled with it quite a bit and he was really open about his struggles. You could see the pain. Um, but there was a lot of shame behind not being able to stop or feeling addicted to something cause the feeling of addiction is never, um, a good one. So that was my first experience with just seeing the effects that can happen from it. And then in university, um, something that kind of really peaked my interest as we had a, a guest lecturer come in talking about, um, how helpful pornography pornography can be for relationships. And I was trying to figure out like where the, um, collective information for her studies were coming from and it just didn’t feel like there was enough backing behind it. And it was almost like a propaganda push in my opinion.

Um, because at that time, my, uh, personal life I had experienced someone, um, just seeing what it could do to families and it, it really broke my heart. Um, and having that contrast of having someone preach out for it where I was literally seeing with my eyes the negative effects that it has on family life and relationships was really hard for me. And that’s when I felt like it wasn’t necessarily a topic that I could just sit upon and be like, “Okay, everything that you know, university tells you is face value.” Cause it’s not like professors are really smart, but you have to do your own thinking. And that’s what,…

Garrett: That’s what the university is about, asking questions, right?

Shanelle: Yeah, exactly. And critical thinking. You have to do that.

Garrett: And so you began the process of critical thinking and investigating the harmful effects of pornography yourself, or how did that transpire?

Shanelle: Yeah, I just, I didn’t want to accept what was being said because I’m a very, obviously I believe in research, but I also think there’s a lot of, um, error when it comes to research because there can be biases that are, um, occurring from what someone might think is the correct answer to say or how,

Garrett: And you can find,…

Shanelle: or how society tells them to feel.

Garrett: Yeah, you can find research to support almost any case.

Shanelle: Oh, I’m probably sure you could find research on why like parrots talk and you can teach them to say bad words and why it’s like good for your mental health. You know what I mean? [laughter]

Garrett: Yeah, like there’s, there’s research on everything.

Shanelle: Yeah, exactly.

Garrett: Yeah. And so, yeah, like you’re saying, I think that it’s very obvious that I guess some studies are going to be biased or incorrect.

Shanelle: Yeah, or just not vetted enough. And in no way am I saying that the guest lecture wasn’t smart and well-respected in his field because he definitely was. But there, there was a sense of, um, “If you don’t agree with me, uh, you’re wrong.” And to me, I was like, “Well, try to tell me that as I’m literally watching something before my eyes happen because of the harmful effects of pornography. Let’s have a discussion about that.”

Garrett: Right. And part of the scientific method is to form a hypothesis. That’s basically what you were doing. You had a hypothesis that the harmful effects of pornography were hurting this family, this individual. Right?

Shanelle: Yeah. Yeah. That was my hypothesis. And you know, I, I got to see the, um, benefits that happened after that was, uh, you know, pornography was stopped, um, being used and viewed. And I just, I don’t, I guess to me like having, um, a healthy way to educate on the harmful effects was really important. And when it came across Fight the New Drug, I was really intrigued and you guys really, um, captured my attention because I, I was like, okay, here’s a company that like, they’re not stigmatizing against it. They’re not, um, shaming people in the way that, as much as I love my faith, um, but churches can be very, uh, hard on some of these topics. And you guys really just, uh, hit the nail on the head and like hit that ball out of the park in terms of how to educate. And I saw that when I first, um, started posting with you guys because the response, um, not only were people thanking me for finally bringing up this topic, but even those that disagreed with me, like really wanted to keep a neutral conversation. They, uh, I mean there were a couple of people that got defensive. Um, but majority of those that disagreed. I think one of the first videos I did with you had 35,000 views.

Garrett: Yeah.

Shanelle: And, um, majority of those people were really respectful and they actually wanted to learn why, um, I believed in your cause and why my opinion was the way that it was.

Garrett: That’s cool. That’s good to hear.

Shanelle: Yeah.

Garrett: What took you to, cause you, you said that you heard about Fight the New Drug and it was, we had a compelling message. You liked the way that we delivered that message, but what made you want to speak out in, in your way?

Shanelle: I think because I had a really, um, personal connection, it’s one that I don’t feel as mind to completely speak on, but I did have a very personal connection with, um, the harmful effects of pornography and being able to advocate it was not like advocate for, um, why we should be a little bit more aware of those effects. Gave me a sense of like purpose and passion and being able to help this person that I knew in a way that was going to be appropriate, kind and um, very approachable.

Garrett: That’s cool.

Shanelle: And that’s kind of where that started for me is that’s where I was like, I really want to be a part of this.

Garrett: That’s cool. One question I have because I think a big portion of our listeners of our Fighters around the world who are listening to this, they also want to take action. Um, but maybe a portion of them aren’t ready. They haven’t taken action yet to, to speak out about the harmful effects of pornography, whether that be in a one-on-one conversation or over their social media platform. And so I think it’d be a good to hear your advice. You have a big following on social media and I think the way that you’ve gone about educating on this topic is very tasteful and very tactful.

Shanelle: Thank you.

Garrett: And so if you could give a couple pieces of advice to those who also want to speak out but haven’t yet as as they go and post on their social, what are some things to consider before, before a publishing a post?

Shanelle: Yeah, I first off, I think anytime you’re going against the grain of what society tells you is okay because sex and pornography has been very glamorized in media and quite a bit lately. And anytime that you’re going to speak out about that, it can be really scary. I remember the first time I went to post I was like, not necessarily shaking, but I was like, “Okay, what’s the aftermath going to be on this?” Um, but I think a really good thing to realize is if you are feeling this way, chances are people around you are feeling this way as well. Um, you, you end up being very similar to those that you keep around yourself. And if you have a larger following where not everyone is going to completely agree with you, but just to remind yourself, you know, you do have a community that is supportive behind the messages that you post, otherwise they wouldn’t be following you.

And if it helps at least one person or reaches one person and helps form a different, um, mindset and perspective around topics that need to be advocated for or against, then you’ve done your job right and one post. And the fear of backlash isn’t, um, isn’t worth holding back what you stand for. And I think we don’t have enough people speaking out on what they stand for, which is why certain opinions and topics get glossed over without advocation for the other side. And if we’re not advocating for the other side that we’re not having conversation, and that defeats the purpose of what humanity is driven upon, which is conversing, uh, being cordial and, um, learning how to love one another without a judgment, like providing the unconditional love.

Garrett: I like that. That’s good advice. That’s good, good motivation to, to act on our intuition.

Shanelle: Sometimes you just got to rip the bandaid off and do it. You’ll feel a lot better. [laughter]

Garrett: [laughter] I think one thing that you do really well is that your, you throw out a post every once in awhile and it’s not, it doesn’t seem like you, your identity isn’t based on this. And I think that oftentimes when it comes to this topic, we are so passionate because of our personal accounts that it can come across wrong or it can come across as harsh or judge-mental. But I don’t get that vibe from your posts.

Shanelle: No. And I think a large part of that is I actually am a very sexually positive person. I believe sex is a really good thing and topics revolving around sex and intimacy are ones that I am very passionate about, um, educating on.

Garrett: Right. It’s almost like there’s two conversations. It’s to have a conversation about healthy sexuality. In today’s world. You almost have to talk about the harmful effects of pornography because of how prevalent it is.

Shanelle: Exactly. Exactly that. Literally exactly what you just said. That is part of the reason why I never want to take a judgmental standpoint on it. Um, first off, cause people never respond well when you’re coming down with a silver hammer on them. You know what I mean?

Garrett: Right.

Shanelle: And secondly, when you place it and it’s, it’s kind of simple psychology, when you place something that you’re talking about in a more, um, light, approachable or um, accepting kind of way, people are obviously going to be more receptive to it cause they feel like it’s not dangerous. Like their fight or flight system is not causing them to recoil and run away. They’re like, “Okay, this, this feels safe. This feels like common ground. This feels where I can have a conversation and maybe there won’t be this explicit and implicit judgment being placed upon me.”

Garrett: Right. That’s beautiful. I love that.

Shanelle: Thank you.

Garrett: That’s very important to do. And the way you said it makes a lot of sense. Um, what about, I’m kind of putting you on the spot here, Shanelle. So just, uh, I just know that I acknowledge that right off the bat. But what is your favorite, what is your favorite, um, Fight the New Drug resource. Because we have the documentary, we have um, our website, our blog, our social media platforms, do you have a favorite?

Shanelle: I personally I think the website. Um, and I think that comes from the fact that I do have a background in graphic and digital design.

Garrett: Cool.

Shanelle: So I find the way that your website lays out information is really easy to understand. It’s always great for me or other fighters to refer back to and pull information from. And it’s also really, um, it’s an easy way to direct people to what your saying, what your message is without them having to invest a lot of time.

Garrett: Right.

Shanelle: Cause if someone isn’t ready to put, um, put their pornography habit down there, chances are they’re not going to want to invest time into watching, um, a longer documentary or you know, scrolling through social channels. But if you can push them toward a website and just say, “Hey, take a look at it. That’s all I’m asking.” The information that you provide is so well laid out and eye-catching that I think it helps spark that initial kind of thought or conversation or consideration to think differently.

Garrett: Right. That’s great feedback.

Shanelle: Yeah, you’re welcome.

Garrett: Thank you. And then the other question, it’s going to put John on the spot again and there’s no answer, but have you seen our documentary?

Shanelle: I think I’ve watched parts of it. I tend to do too much at once. [laughter] That happens a lot in my life.

Garrett: Totally. And I think we can all relate to that. The reason why I ask is because I think it’s my favorite thing that we have, the way it’s laid out is so good. And so, um, I will send you a link to the documentary Shanelle.

Shanelle: Yeah, I’d love to watch it.

Garrett: And I’m also, I’ll also link in, uh, the documentary to this episode for our listeners to check out. It’s a three part documentary. It’s called Brain, Heart World, and it’s about 30 minutes per episode.

Shanelle: Yes, so I have watched parts of it.

Garrett: Yeah, because it’s three parts, I wonder if you’ve watched one of them. It’s just good to talk about the resources that we do have because there’s some listeners that haven’t listened or didn’t even know that we had a documentary.

Shanelle: Yeah, totally. No, I’m really glad that you did. I think any, um, point where people can have access to your information is a really big, um, a necessity.

Garrett: Yeah, for sure. Um, well as we’ve talked Shanelle, I’ve learned a lot about you. I’ve learned that you did really well in pageants. I learned that you are into, um, you do website, you develop websites.

Shanelle: Um, that’s my like job job at those time.

Garrett: Nice. And then you launched a business, um, that you’re going to get your master’s degree. You already have a bachelor’s in psychology. Um, I just got to say that you’re a very, uh, you’re doing a lot of good in the world and we appreciate that.

Shanelle: Thank you. I appreciate that.

Garrett: Yeah, for sure. During this conversation I’ve admired your ability to speak, speak to things regarding like mental health. So I wanted to ask you if you would leave our audience with one piece of advice, what would that be?

Shanelle: Hmm.

Garrett: Based on all the knowledge and experience that you have?

Shanelle: Well, I do know on every podcast, and I think I mentioned this a little earlier on, you, on, on yours. I always say leave people better off than you found them. But if I were to pick another piece of advice that’s a little bit, um, more fresh, I think when you go to approach anybody about, um, more serious topics and when you look at someone that you see as struggling, try to look at them as if you’re looking at a child because it’s really hard to be judgmental when you’re looking at someone through the eyes of, um, compassion. And if you see that that child and them that, you know, have, has this really innocent light, um, we all started off as that. And somewhere down the road we’ve had, uh, experiences that can tend to our corrupt, our, our visions and our viewpoint. But being able to bring it back at the end of the day will help you be able to approach people. Especially even in conversations that are a little bit more heated. Um, gives you a chance to collect your thoughts and collect how you want to approach and talk to somebody. That’s, that would be a really big one.

Garrett: That’s great advice.

Shanelle: Thank you. Yeah, that one. I will give credit to my mom, but it’s helped me in a lot of, a lot of times where I’ve definitely had a little bit. Um, I have a fiery personality. [laughter]

Garrett: Basically that concept is just be more understanding, right?

Shanelle: Yeah. Really just approach people as if you would want to be approached and approached. Um, no one wants to be yelled at or judged or, uh, hit hard over the head 50 times with a bat, you know what I mean?

Garrett: Right. Well, Shanelle, once again, on behalf of Fight the New Drug, we just want to say thanks for what you’re doing in the world and thanks for your support that you show us as an organization.

Shanelle: Thank you. And thank you for letting me be a part of it.

Yeah, we, we, we thank you. We were fortunate to have you as a fighter or a definitely team-Shanelle, so…

Shanelle: Whoa. Team-Shanelle, I like it. [laughter]

Garrett: [laughter] Awesome. Thank you.

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