Jane Doe: Long story short that’s when everything began, um, from like 9:00 PM, till four in the morning I was raped. Um, they, they took breaks and, and told me I had to re-film scenes. Um, I tried to run naked from the hotel room at one point. I, uh, was physically shoved back and there was someone outside of the door. I didn’t even make it to the door. Um, I said, “F*ck you, I’m not doing anything else.”

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And they were like, oh, then we’ll put everything on the internet that we have right now with your full name or we’ll send it to your parents. Do you want them to find out

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Garrett Jonsson: My name is Garrett Jonsson, and you’re listening to Consider Before Consuming a podcast by Fight the New Drug. And in case you’re new here Fight the New Drug is a non-religious and non legislative organization that exists to provide individuals the opportunity to make an informed decision regarding pornography, by raising awareness on its harmful effects, using only science facts and personal accounts. We want these conversations to be educational, uplifting, and hopeful. As we sit down with experts, influencers, activists, and people with personal accounts, we cover a wide variety of topics that may be triggering into some- listener discretion is advised. Today’s episode is part one of a two part series co-hosted with Fight the New Drug’s Editorial Director, Keri. We sat down with Jane Doe and Cozi, her emotional support dog. Jane Doe grew up in Washington with a loving family, never expecting that she’d be victimized by one of the larger trafficking schemes to date, GirlsDoPorn. GirlsDoPorn was a popular “amateur” porn production company that garnered well over a billion views ranked around the 20th most popular channel on Pornhub and reportedly generated and estimated 17 million in revenue.

What girls do porn viewers likely did not realize was that many of the women featured in their videos are actually victims of sex trafficking, including Jane Doe. Girls do porn posed as an “ethical” porn company and went unchecked for over a decade. While the official production company is defunct as of 2020, the videos that produced are regularly reposted all over the internet. GirlsDoPorn owners and employees have been charged with sex trafficking, child pornography, as well as conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. One Co-Founder pleaded guilty to sex trafficking while the other one is on the run, and on the FBI’s most wanted list, the GirlsDoPorn case shows that sex trafficking doesn’t always look like the movies involving young women being kidnapped, taken across national borders and forced into sexual servitude. The trafficking victim’s protection act defines sex trafficking as, and I quote “a commercial sex act induced by force fraud or coercion or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age.” This phrase has helped bring awareness to the prevalence of domestic trafficking and its connections to pornography. During this conversation, Jane Doe talks about how she was trafficked by GirlsDoPorn. What it’s been like to pursue legal action against GirlsDoPorn with other survivors and how she’s found healing in her own life since she was exploited. With that being said, let’s jump into the conversation. We hope you enjoy this episode of Consider Before Consuming.

Garrett Jonsson: First of all, we want to say, thanks for being with us today.

Jane Doe: Thank you for having me.

Garrett Jonsson: Uh, this is an important conversation for many reasons. Um, one of them being that people think that sex trafficking and porn are separate industries and your experience sheds light on the connections between porn and sex trafficking. You never agreed to do porn at all, yet your abuse was posted online.

Jane Doe: With my full name.

Garrett Jonsson: To mainstream internet sites. And although the porn production company, GirlsDoPorn were eventually shut down and convicted of sex trafficking. They went unchecked for 11 years or so. They also claimed to be “ethical” like an “ethical” porn company…

Jane Doe: Mhm.

Garrett Jonsson: … during those 11 years, but we’ll get more into those details. The first thing we want before jumping back in time is we wanna know how you’re doing by the way we want to introduce Cozi…

Jane Doe: This is Cozi.

Garrett Jonsson: … to the audience. We have a little mic set up for Cozi. When you came in and I saw Cozi, immediately in my mind, I was like, we should have set up a mic for Cozi.

Jane Doe: [laughter]

Garrett Jonsson: It was just too cute to not do it. And so I literally put a mic down there for Cozi as well.

Jane Doe: I think that is quite adorable.

Garrett Jonsson: Super cute.

Jane Doe: Thank you.

Garrett Jonsson: But going back, how are you doing?

Jane Doe: I it’s been an emotional rollercoaster. I was trafficked six and a half years ago. It’s been a rollercoaster of emotions. It’s been a long time coming with the FBI trial and we had, uh, Wolfe, one of the main guys that started the GirlsDoPorn…

Garrett Jonsson: One of the Co-Founders.

Jane Doe: Yes, he, he did plead guilty yesterday. So there has been a lot of publicity surrounding it. We put Andre Garcia away for 20 years last year, last June. So we, there, we have seen justice, but with that has come immense harassment. Uh, it’s all being brought to light. And I feel like the stories that are being shared, uh, about the, the women are so inaccurate. Uh, so I’m really excited to be here today. Um, this is just my story, each woman that I had the honor of meeting at court and when we were testifying, they were incredibly brave. They have all been hurt beyond words and, and, um, it was a really difficult day that first day that we testified. It was rewarding, exhausting, um, empowering validating, but at the same time, it was just so shocking to know how much it’s affecting all these women, myself included years later, I feel like it’s gonna be a lifelong battle.

It’s something that they put on the internet. They stole something from us that is never going away. Even though we legally own the rights to the videos. Now it’ll always be out there. And it’s something that I am having to learn to live with and get stronger. There’s been a lot of therapy involved. Um, Cozi helps a lot.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: Probably more than anything.

Garrett Jonsson: [laughter]

Jane Doe: Um, but I I’m stronger than I used to be. I, I had some suicide attempts even right before trial last year. I went in with stitches on my arm. I have this nice scar that almost looks surgical. And when people say, “Oh, what happened?” I don’t like to lie. Um, I’m not here to gain anything. I’m not being paid for this. I don’t wanna have monetary gain from the trafficking, from the trauma. Uh, I’m simply here to tell my story in hopes that hopefully we can stop this.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: I know it’s always gonna be there, but we can bring ed education to people. We can bring it to the light of day.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And, uh, hopefully help people that have been through any sort of sexual trauma, because there is hope and healing. It’s definitely not easy. It’s, it’s very hard and it’s a long road, but I’m living proof. I’m still here.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: Begrudgingly at times, but I’m, I’m doing better and I’m excited to educate and bring this to light.

Garrett Jonsson: It’s really cool that you have experienced a lot of healing. And we can tell that that’s the case because you are here speaking about it and fighting.

Keri: Mhm.

Garrett Jonsson: And so we are very grateful for that. As I asked that question, how are you doing today? I think it’s very telling that just yesterday, you had an update about one of the Co-Founders to me that shows how this has impacted you. Because when I asked that question, how are you doing? I was expecting you to say like, “Great. I did yoga this morning.” I had whatever for breakfast, but your first thought was yesterday. We had an update.

Jane Doe: Yeah. I had to fake it for so long pretending I was okay. That I really appreciate authenticity now. So I need, uh, I needed to realize it’s okay not to be okay every day.

Garrett Jonsson: Mhm.

Jane Doe: And you really do have to allow yourself to feel pain in order to work through it. I spent years running and numbing and hiding. And when someone would say, “Hey, how are you?” I feel like answers are commonly disingenuine. We’re we’re always, “Oh, I’m good. I did yoga.”

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: “I’m fine.” Yeah. But I, I want, um, I just wanna live the rest of my life in an authentic way. I wanna be genuine and real. And everyone has trauma in their lives. Everyone has pain, we’re all struggling at some point and we’re here to help each other. So being honest, um, I, I have bad days, but overall I have a lot of hope for the future right now that I didn’t have for a really long time.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Keri: What are you doing these days to take care of yourself? Uh, mentally, emotionally,…

Jane Doe: Yeah, there, there were years, uh, where I, I tried therapy. Um, I I’ve been a yoga instructor for a long time- that helped me a lot. But more than anything, I had to seek medical help. I had to be hospitalized at times. Um, the self harm and suicidal ideations just got too much and it’s okay to ask for help. I’ve realized I really was scared to do that. I am a nurse. I, I love being able to connect with my patients now saying, “Hey, it’s okay to hurt.” And sometimes the best thing that you can do is hold someone’s hand and validate them. So I’m trying to let people in, and I didn’t do that for a long time. I, uh, I have really bad ADD. So I got off topic sometimes lately I’m doing a lot of therapy. I do talk therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy. I am on antidepressants or I was on antidepressants for years. Um, I would get, uh, egotistical at times and go off of them thinking, “Oh, I don’t, I don’t need this. I can do it alone. I’m tough.” Or they just made me feel too weak.

Garrett Jonsson: Mm.

Jane Doe: So that wasn’t healthy. And then I would spiral. Um, and I would think at times, “Oh, I don’t, I don’t need therapy.” And I, I did have a therapist commit suicide and learning to open up to someone new after that and retell your story is retraumatizing telling it so much to the lawyers and the FBI. I got to the point where I was so sick and tired of talking about it that I just didn’t want to anymore. So for a while, my therapist, uh, she was my new therapist. She was great. She was patient with me. We’d talk about my day or, or, uh, a date that I had went on.

And now, um, lately the past couple of months, we’ve been very real. She had me write myself a letter saying, what if you had wanted to do porn? What if you, um, had agreed to go there knowing what was going to happen? How would your life be different? How would you accept yourself? And I got so angry and it was so difficult at first. And, and eventually I wrote that letter and I thought everyone makes mistakes. Everyone has trials. Um, and I, it gave me a lot of self-compassion that I didn’t have before. Some of the girls did go into filming, or they went to San Diego knowing what they were gonna take place, what was gonna take place, what they were gonna be part of, but they were groomed. They were coerced. They were lied to.

Keri: Yeah, they’re still tricked.

Jane Doe: Yes. And, and that’s why the men were convicted of not only sex trafficking, but conspiracy for sex trafficking. And I don’t think any differently of any woman for their story. I, I didn’t know. And, and it is frustrating being portrayed as a Jane Doe because, uh, they kind of just lump us all into, into one thing. And everyone’s story was unique. Everyone was lied to, everyone was coerced. I thought I was flying out for yoga clothing modeling.

Keri: Yeah.

Garrett Jonsson: And it looks like one thing. It makes us all look like porn stars. The lawsuit has called us money, hungry, sluts. Uh, there’s been a lot of horrible backlash. Um, so being honest and authentic, finally, with that being real with my therapist actually delving into the pain and letting myself experience it has been incredibly helpful. And I also do ketamine therapy. I’ve been doing that for about a year and a half. I go into ketamine center. They’re in a lot of different areas.

It’s given me, um, a chance to disassociate. It’s a drug that they use in anesthesia. A lot of people call it special K, they use it as a party drug highly don’t recommend that because it can actually be a super transformational tool and really beneficial. Um, and when I do it, I listen to piano music. I have an eye shade on, I lay on a couch. Um, they do three injections over 90 minutes, Cozi lays on my lap. She’s amazing. And basically you’re in a different dimension. You lose more so than other psycho psychedelics. Um, you lose sense of self.

Garrett Jonsson: Mm.

Jane Doe: And it’s almost terrifying for a moment, not, not knowing who you are. And at the same time, it was the biggest relief because my, my trauma wasn’t there.

Garrett Jonsson: Wow.

Jane Doe: And when I kind of came to, when you have that terrifying moment, who am I you think, “Who do I wanna be?”

Garrett Jonsson: Mm.

Jane Doe: And like, logically, I knew like, oh, I have all of this crap in my life. And during suicidal moments. And, and times that I had before, before I, I thought I can’t possibly live with this. I can’t bear another day. It’s never gonna go away.

Garrett Jonsson: Mhm.

Jane Doe: But in that moment, the first ketamine session that I did, I, I thought, “What do I wanna go back to? How do I wanna make it better? What do I value?” Uh, and the first thing I saw was cozy and she’s,…

Garrett Jonsson: Oh, cool.

Jane Doe: She’s a big value. But I, I thought about family and I thought of all the things I would miss if I didn’t make it back to my body. And it’s a, it’s a really different experience. Every time I I’ve been, it’s been very different, but it actually regenerates gray matter in your brain.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: And it helps reset synapses, recreates, positive neuro pathways. So it actually is good for you.

Garrett Jonsson: Literally changing your brain yes. And helping you frame the trauma in different ways.

Jane Doe: Absolutely. And, and sometimes I, I, I’m not ready to, to feel the trauma. Sometimes. It’s like, I’m having a fight with my mom and that’s what I think about going in.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And sometimes I set intentions, sometimes it’s deep and sometimes it’s lighter. Um, but it’s been really transformational. Um, I highly recommend it to post traumatic stress disorders.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: Uh, patients to survivors, if anti-depressants and regular traditional therapy, hasn’t worked, um, it’s been around.

Garrett Jonsson: A lot of people are seeing a lot of success with ketamine.

Jane Doe: Yeah. For over like 10 years that it’s been considered a really positive alternative treatment for PTSD, especially with war veterans. So I, I highly recommend it. But do it with a medical practitioner. Yeah. Because they dose you correctly. And, uh, that’s been the, the thing that has helped me the very most, it helped me get off my antidepressants. It helped me realize I have things to live for.

Opening up to my family has been the, the biggest transformation in my life. They didn’t know what had happened until the FBI trials started.

Garrett Jonsson: Okay.

Jane Doe: They never asked. And I never told them, I think consciously, I thought I was protecting them, letting them think I was a porn star, because that’s how they saw it.

Garrett Jonsson: Oh, okay.

Jane Doe: That’s how it looks. And they, there was a, all this shame, “How could you do this to us?”, “Why would you, we all have to live with this.” Um, and that was the first time I considered taking my life because I couldn’t bear the thought of my parents telling my little brother what his sister had just done. And I…

Garrett Jonsson: So it seems like, sorry to interrupt.

Jane Doe: No, you’re fine.

Garrett Jonsson: It seems like the stigmatization around that whole thing is what caused you to feel dread about opening up?

Jane Doe: Absolutely. I think that was, that was the worst part for me being, I, I was, um, this good girl in high school. Uh, no one, everyone knew that I wasn’t a partier. I, I was kind of labeled a prude because I was religious. And I was proud of that. And the first person that sent me the video when it was released about a week and a half, two weeks after was a boy from high school with a picture of his penis saying, “Wow, look, look who grew out of her prude stages.” And I just immediately got violently ill. And my parents were sent it by one of their family, friends later that night. So in the religious community that I grew up in my high school community, I felt like everyone knew within a week.

Garrett Jonsson: Wow.

Jane Doe: And I was just disgustingly harassed. And um, no one asked, no one said, “Hey, are you okay?”, “Hey, what happened?”, “Hey, why did you do this?”.

So I just let it go on. I just said how sorry I was for betraying their trust and making them feel, shame thinking maybe I was protecting them a little from my pain. And then I thought, “If I kill myself, everyone’s better off. I don’t have to make them ashamed of me anymore. Every everything that I’ve done wrong will go away.” And I still felt so stupid and naive for going out there. I held a lot of self guilt. Um, I thought, “Oh, you stupid naive girl.” And they were charged for not only sex trafficking, but conspiracy for sex trafficking. These men did it for over 10 years. They were master groomers.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: They were master manipulators and liars. And it’s taken a lot of therapy to, to work through that. I still have days where I, I blame myself and I think a lot of the girls do, but overall we’ve created this really beautiful support network. And having my family actually know what happened. It was difficult that it took the FBI trial for that to come to light. But having them actually know what happened, knowing that I was a victim. I hate that word. I, I, I like survivor so much more, but I, it’s something I have to it’s internalize…

Garrett Jonsson: It’s important to acknowledge.

Jane Doe: It is.

Garrett Jonsson: It’s important to acknowledge that you were a victim, and then also not have that victim mentality.

Jane Doe: Yes.

It’s rape trauma syndrome. People, um, blame themselves.

Garrett Jonsson: Mhm.

Jane Doe: And they’re so traumatized from the sexual assault that they don’t tell anyone. And it’s so common. And I did that for years. I didn’t think I deserved to be alive. I didn’t think anyone deserved to know the truth. And no one asked that everyone was so eager to label me that, um, I just owned it. And I think that’s been the best part of actually having the FBI trial, seeking some justice has been incredible getting to know the other women and how strong they are, but getting to kind of tell the world, “No, this is not my identity. This was not something I chose knowing that.”, um, I couldn’t look at myself naked in the mirror for a few years. I felt physically ill. If I would go to the grocery store and a man would check me out because I felt like it’s this ugly thing.

It might as well be tattooed on my face. Everyone recognizes me. And it’s still reposted weekly. Like I own the rights and it happens constantly. I’ve changed my phone number six times, I’ve had to move, I’d have stalkers, a dead cat left on my doorstep. The harassment has been disgusting. I, uh, I got stood up on a date one time and he said, “Oh, I wouldn’t wanna, um, go out with a porn star.” And so I sent him the, the link to our article and he goes, “Yeah, but it’s still out there.”

Keri: Oh no.

Jane Doe: And I was like, “Okay. Yeah, this is part of my life.” My, uh, I got divorced because my ex-husband couldn’t handle it. I was so broken. Um, and he, he didn’t know how to support me. And it, uh, it just destroyed things.

Garrett Jonsson: As you’re talking, one of the things that’s going through my mind is the interview that was done by the BBC with Mia Khalifa. I don’t know if you’ve seen that?

Jane Doe: Oh, yes. Yeah. She, she, yes.

Garrett Jonsson: But in that interview, she says that she gets emails and DMS all the time from women who were trafficked into pornography. And I think there’s so many misconceptions around what happened to you.

Jane Doe: Mhm. I don’t think that people understand when they go on the internet to get a “quick fix.” Um, they don’t understand, they might be participating in human trafficking.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: All of the men that have seen my video and objectified me, I goosebumps. It’s a hard thing to talk about. Um, you don’t know the girls or boys or children that are in that video.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: I might have looked like I wanted to be there because I had been beaten up and threatened and trapped and drugged.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: And I’ve seen it. I’ve had to see it multiple times because of, um, court. And my, I can tell my eyes look completely dead. And I remember how I felt in that moment. I remember having to, uh, lock myself in the bathroom afterwards, coming out to a blood soaked bed. I remember how it felt. Uh, I didn’t enjoy a single moment of that. I can’t actually enjoy sex since then. Uh, never have been able to…

Garrett Jonsson: Of course

Jane Doe: Sorry. TMI for you.

Garrett Jonsson: Not TMI. That’s just a,… I think…

Keri: It’s part of it.

Jane Doe: Yeah, it’s just so easy to, to disassociate because it doesn’t feel safe. My own body doesn’t feel safe. And I, the idea that men are masturbating to me and thinking in that moment, like, “Oh, so hot.” Looking for these things on Google, they have no idea the blood, the pain, the tears, the suicide attempts, that how much that ruined my life and how they’re contributing to the need every time they go on a, a pornographic website. So I think the more that we talk about how destructive porn is how closely related human trafficking and porn is, porn’s creating the need.

Garrett Jonsson: As long as there’s a demand they will supply it.

Jane Doe: Absolutely.

Garrett Jonsson: They will exploit to fulfill that demand.

Jane Doe: So we need to, we need to lower the demand and try to create real relationships, real intimacy, maybe work on ourselves a little. So we feel worthy of that.

Garrett Jonsson: I just wanna say that if any of our listeners do struggle with the porn habit, that that doesn’t make them a bad person.

Jane Doe: Not at all.

Garrett Jonsson: And that if they are experiencing that there are resources to get to a healthier place for them.

Jane Doe: Absolutely.

Garrett Jonsson: But going back to what you said about the fact that they might be consuming content, that is, that appears to be consensual.

Jane Doe: Yeah. It was top 10. The GirlsDoPorn channel, top 10 recommended channels for years.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And they had a download button.

Garrett Jonsson: Right. That’s a big time company.

Jane Doe: Which is why Pornhub doesn’t have a download button anymore. But how, how long was that around how many people were affected by that? That’s one of the reasons my video still gets released constantly.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: Because it’s been downloaded and people aren’t gonna listen to a court order in different countries. They don’t care.

Garrett Jonsson: Right. Or even within this country.

Jane Doe: Yeah.

So it’s, it’s, I know that it’s never gonna go away. I do agree fully that people struggling with pornography, alcoholics, aren’t bad people, gambling doesn’t make you a bad person watching pornography does not make you a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes. And I think I’ve ruined porn. I hope I’ve ruined porn. I know I have for my brothers.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: Um, and hopefully I have, for some other people, hopefully I do for some listeners today.

Garrett Jonsson: Absolutely.

Jane Doe: But it doesn’t make you a bad person. There’s help for everyone.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: I can’t stress that enough.

Garrett Jonsson: The name of our podcast as you know, is Consider Before Consuming. And I think that the listeners will benefit from hearing your story. Yeah. You’ve made it abundantly clear that you were not interested in doing pornography or nudity of any type.

Jane Doe: No, not of any type I was forced into it.

Garrett Jonsson: It all started with a job listing.

Jane Doe: Yes, that’s correct.

Garrett Jonsson: Can you go into details about how you happened upon that particular job listing?

Jane Doe: Yes. I, I was doing a lot of, um, fitness modeling at the time I was in school and paying for college, myself. Uh, fitness modeling was clothed. Uh, I taught yoga, so it was professional. I, I had never done anything nude. I had never sent a nude picture. Prior to that, it said, uh, female fitness models wanted age 18 to 22. They posted these all over the country and Craigslist is big. Um, where I’m from everyone uses, like I sold a car on Craigslist one time.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: I always thought like, oh, like they, they probably vet these things.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: I’m sure it’s professional. And they had a, um, a website link that they sent me and, and it looked really professional. They had a really great photographer. I was like, “Oh, okay, awesome.” Uh, I, then I spoke to reference models. So everything was like very professional, very well planned, very well thought out. They, uh, they had it, their whole routine completely down to a tee.

Garrett Jonsson: Right. They were professional groomers.

Jane Doe: Yeah. Especially making sure to talk on the phone more. “Oh, well, if you have a minute, I’ll just give you a quick call and I can explain it.” And I’m like, “Oh, well, that’s great.”

Keri: Yeah. Seems personable. But it doesn’t leave a paper trail.

Jane Doe: Absolutely.

Keri: But you wouldn’t think that.

Jane Doe: I think they, they made sure to not have paper trails and their, their lawyer encouraged a lot of that as well.

Garrett Jonsson: We know that you made it abundantly clear again, I’ve said this, but I’m gonna state it again that you were not interested in doing porn, but can you speak to, when was the first time they introduced that idea and what your response was?

Jane Doe: Yeah. Absolutely. Um, so I had shown them fitness photos. That’s what they, they asked for, um, to like, see my muscle tone, flexibility, things like that.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: It, it didn’t seem sexual whatsoever. And, um, it was probably after about 10 phone calls and email exchanges that they said, “Oh, by the way, we also own an adult film production company and nude modeling and swimsuit modeling. If you’d be interested in that.”, said this over the phone, “You could make even more money. Um, and it’s, it’s all very tasteful, very professional.” We had talked long enough at this point that I’m like, “Oh, these guys are, are good guys.” Like, they always say, “Hey, how are you doing?” Like, it was always kind of rushed, but they were very polite. And I, I felt like we had, um, like a good…

Garrett Jonsson: A good rapport?

Jane Doe: Yeah. A good rapport. There was like some camaraderie almost. And when they said that, I was like, “Oh my goodness. Absolutely not. I was raised super religious. No, like never thought my mind.”

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And then they’re like, “Oh, well, we’ll send you an email really quick. Um, with the pictures of our male performers, just in case it peaks your interest.”, kind of thing.

Garrett Jonsson: Which I think is a strategic move on their end because yes. Then in court they can say, “We sent you an email that says…”

Jane Doe: Exactly. Yeah. And then, and then they’re, and then I’m calling them saying, “Uh, absolutely not.”

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: “Fitness modeling, not interested in any other part of any industry you’re part of. Hell no, never gonna happen.” And, um, that’s when they were like, “Oh, well, if you were interested, this would be the distribution. You would make $10,000 instead of just a couple thousand for yoga clothing modeling. And I’m like “Fitness apparel only, thank you.”

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: Um, so I, I did know it was an option.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: But I had vehemently rejected it prior to going out to San Diego.

Keri: Did they seem to respect your rejection?

Jane Doe: Yes. They said, “Oh, okay. Well, it’s always an option once you’re there. If you change your mind, just think about it.” Um, so when I got on that airplane, I completely thought I’m going out for fitness modeling, and that is it.

Garrett Jonsson: And that was just, you had just turned 22?

Jane Doe: Yes. It was a couple weeks after my 22nd birthday.

Garrett Jonsson: And if I put myself in your shoes, I think I would feel some excitement as I land in San Diego for this, you know, this, what you thought was a fitness modeling job.

Jane Doe: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I, I was a professional, so, uh, yoga instructor. So I was like, “Okay, like I’m qualified to do this.” And, um, I, it was completely different in the moment I got there.

Garrett Jonsson: When you say that it was completely different from the moment you got there, can you speak to that a little bit more? Like at what point did you become suspicious?

Jane Doe: Um, I think it’s important to talk about before, right before we go there, the reference models. Mm. I had FaceTime conversations. I, I wasn’t just like, “Oh, I’m gonna go out to San Diego and just trust these men.” Um, I was wary. I was like, “Uh, okay. So I I’ve spoken to your photographer. I’ve seen your website. I’ve seen portfolios. I’d really like to speak with some prior models and see how the experience went for them.” So I had, um, two different FaceTime calls. The girls were really, really sweet. They had Instagrams. Um, they were like, “Oh, these guys are the best to work with it. I made great money. It was super easy. They’re so kind, you’ll be super comfortable in and out in like a day. And, um, then you’re good. And if you want to do the porn part, it was super enjoyable, best sex I’ve ever had. You won’t regret it.”, kind of thing. And I’m like, “Nope, absolutely not, clothing modeling.” And they’re like, “Oh, okay, well, it’s, it’s an option.” Like they had also said, it’s an option, but when I declined it, wasn’t like, “Oh, you can’t come.”

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: Because I would’ve never gone, had that happened.

Garrett Jonsson: So you did your due diligence to vet the company?

Jane Doe: I, I thought I had, I, I blamed myself a lot still for not doing more. Um, but I had never heard the words GirlsDoPorn. I had zero idea that that is what they did.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Keri: Well, they seemed to completely respect your “No.”

Jane Doe: They did. Yeah. And they, they were like, “It’s an option.”

Keri: Right. Yeah. And so I think that that’s all anybody can do.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Keri: State your intention. And I’m sure that your red flag would’ve gone off. If they were like, “Oh, come on, don’t be a prude.”, or whatever.

Jane Doe: Yeah. There was none of that at all.

Keri: They were respectful in the moment.

Jane Doe: Yeah.

Keri: So you did your due diligence, you know?

Jane Doe: There had been parents that literally dropped their daughters off and my parents knew…

Garrett Jonsson: Wow.

Jane Doe: Where I was going. They had my flight info. They sent me my, um, return flight too, before I went out. And my, my hotel info, I had all of it in an email, told my mom everything I’m going out for clothing modeling. And then she doesn’t hear from me for a few days.

Garrett Jonsson: Wow.

So going back to the question now that we have that context.

Jane Doe: Yes.

Garrett Jonsson: Going back to my question of, when did you start to become suspicious of this “opportunity”? How did that play out?

Jane Doe: Okay.

Um, like, do you mean once I got there?

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: Okay. So I, I landed, um, and Teddy, uh, he was their photographer. I had no idea who he was, but, uh, I had talked to Matthew Wolfe on the phone and he is like, “Hey, um, there’s gonna be a black Escalade out front to pick you up, super excited. Um, we’ll just, uh, let you get like a good night’s rest tonight. And then we’ll go to the beach and shoot tomorrow, uh, so that we have better lighting.” And I’m like, “Oh, okay. Um, that sounds good.” And then I, I see the black Escalade, I get in. Um, he came around and opened the back door for me and I put my suitcase in and I was like, “Oh, super- what a gentleman.” Thank you. Uh, and then the second we start driving the, the doors lock and I, I kind of had a weird, just a weird, a little bit of a weird feeling.

And I like moved the door a little bit and it, it wouldn’t budge. So I was like, I, I started getting wary and then they, he was like, “Hey, do you want anything to eat?” And I had a sandwich and he was like, “Wow, most, most girls don’t like eating before this. They wanna look their skinniest.” And I was like, “What an odd comment.” And then they took me to Andre Garcia’s apartment and automatically getting out of the car. Um, Teddy comes up, like opens my door for me. I couldn’t open. It has his hand on my back and automatically, there’s another guy that comes up and he was a bigger guy. I don’t even know what his name was. He was the one that eventually took me to the airport to leave when they finally let me go. Um, and he, he stood next to me.

So I have men on either side of me and I’m like, “Okay, where, where are we going?” And they were like, “Oh, we just needed to, um, like take a quick headshot of you. And we have a, a makeup artist for the headshot.” And I’m like, “Oh, okay. Like,…

Garrett Jonsson: That seems normal.

Jane Doe: Yeah. Like, everything’s like, “Oh, oh, it’ll be great”. They’re being super. “It’ll just take a minute, great makeup artist. Really cool apartment. Right?”And like, everything’s gated, it’s like an underground parking garage. So I’m like, I haven’t seen a single person other than these two men since I landed.

Garrett Jonsson: Mm.

Jane Doe: So I get in the elevator, we go up, um, and automatically once I was in the room and the door shuts, the bigger guy stands by the door and they’re like, “Oh, Hey, like, let’s, let’s, uh, take your purse for you.”

So they take my purse, which has my cell phone in it. And then, um, make up artists started. I was alone kind of in like the living room area, waiting for a while, before everything else started happening. And I was never alone. I’m sitting alone on a couch while a man is always in a stool or standing in front of the door. And I’m like, “Okay, this is like, can I have my phone?” And they’re like, “Oh, we just placed your purse in the safe. Uh, just to be safe. We don’t want you thinking we’re stealing from you or anything.” And I’m like, “Okay, when is this like gonna happen? It’s getting late.” And it just gets weirder and weirder; hair and makeup are done. They’re like, “Oh, you probably wanna shower, go use the shower and straighten your hair.” And I’m like, “I showered this morning.”

I’m good. Uh, and my hair and makeup is done. And then they told me to take my clothes off. And it, it was what they called the “Panda pic”. They had a, a picture of a Panda, like artwork in the background. And at that point it was Andre Garcia, Teddy. And so I have multiple big men in the room. I’m five foot five, don’t have my phone. And, and they’re like, “Okay, take your clothes off. Michael Pratt needs a picture to make sure you are who you say you are.” Uh, that’s when I, I really felt terrified and began to panic. Um, and eventually they stripped me, not by my choice. Um, and then they, um, took me four men, including Andre Garcia at that point, took me back down to the Escalade. And they’re like, “We’re just gonna take you to your, um, hotel room.”

And I I’m pretty traumatized at that point. I’m like, “I want my phone. I want to go home. I don’t wanna, I don’t care about the yoga clothing modeling. I’m, I’m not doing this anymore.” And they’re like, okay, well, we’ll just drop you off at your hotel then. And we go to the hotel on the way, um, Andre stopped the car and I still can’t get out at this point. Like it still locked. I don’t have my phone stops the car and picks up, uh, marijuana and a pill, a bottle of pills from some guy in like an alley on the way. And like, the windows are tinted. I can’t roll my window down. I can’t do anything at this point. I’m like, I’m hoping that they’re just gonna take me to the hotel now. And so, uh, once we got there, it’s like underground parking.

Once again, there’s no one around, we go up to the hotel and they have all these boxes. And the moment that I knew I was in really big trouble was when, um, the door shut and one man stayed outside, uh, while one guy like left with the car and Teddy and Andre are in the room and the other guy’s guarding the door from outside. And they automatically unplugged the hotel room phone and set all these papers out in front of me. And at some point the guy that was guarding the door, came in to intimidate me into signing these papers. And I’m like, “What is this?” And they’re like, “Oh, it’s just for, for your athletic photo shoot tomorrow.” And I’m like, “I don’t even wanna do it anymore. Like, can I, can I just go, can you guys go?” And at that point I started getting threatened.

Um, I was intimidated. They’re standing over me saying, “Sign here, sign here, initial here.” And I’m like, “Can I read these?” And “No, no everything we have to hurry.” We have to hurry. And long story short that’s when everything began, um, from like 9:00 PM, till four in the morning I was raped. Um, they, they took breaks and, and told me I had to re-film scenes. Um, I tried to run naked from the hotel room. At one point I, uh, was physically shoved back and there was someone outside of the door. I didn’t even make it to the door. Um, I said, “f*ck you, I’m not doing anything else.”

Garrett Jonsson: Right.
Jane Doe: And they were like, “Oh, then we’ll put everything on the internet that we have right now with your full name or we’ll send it to your parents. Do you want them to find out?” Um, so I, I went through all, I, I froze, I, I fought, I, I didn’t know if they would kill me.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: I was quite terrified of that. And then, uh, it got more and more threatening and then like, “Oh, oh, do you want me to hurt you now? Do you want it to be rougher?” Um, and every time I, I didn’t look like I was enjoying it. They would refill the scene. Yeah. Eventually I just wanted it to be over. So eventually I did what they said.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: But at, at no point did I enjoy any of it? Right. During my deposition, uh, their lawyer put it up, uh, of a freed, uh, still image of my video of me in a very compromised position nude and says, “Sure, looks like you’re enjoying it in this part.” He was trying to get me to admit guilt or, or some sort of ownership. Um, and I had to physically run from the room and throw up.

Garrett Jonsson: Wow.

Jane Doe: And when the, um, when the raping did finally stop, when they finally got what they wanted, um, I locked myself in the bathroom and I eventually, it was, it was starting to get light at that point. And I eventually came out and they had ordered room service and were sitting there eating burgers and French fries, watching TV, Teddy, and Andre. And I said, “Get out now!” And they were like, “Oh, no, want a French fry?”, like, “Stop, stop looking so sad.” and like wanted to do more. And, um, I didn’t realize that they had canceled the ho other hotel. They had booked for me. They expected me to stay there that night. I was like physically in, in pain for days. Um, it was not only, it was, it like awful being violated, but it was like physically gruesome and horrendous, horribly painful.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Keri: It seems like they didn’t even care to edit out like your own blood cuz it was just part of it. So was that just….?

Jane Doe: No, I think, I think they edited it out quite a bit because the videos…

Garrett Jonsson: They wanted it to appear consensual.

Jane Doe: Yeah. The, the video is a little less than an hour.

Keri: Okay.

Jane Doe: And um, yeah, I don’t, I don’t think I’ve, I’ve seen it. I don’t think that it really showed the blood that was covering the bed.

Keri: Strategic.

Jane Doe: Um, they, they didn’t let me leave. They uh, brought me back to Andre Garcia’s apartment in the morning. I still didn’t have my phone. Um, didn’t eat breakfast or anything. They tried to get me to film a solo scene, and then they wanted me to film a threesome scene. And I said, “Absolutely not.” During the, the night before, um, Teddy had kept saying like, “Oh, give us a, give us a little teaser, uh, of, of your, um, of your solo tomorrow.” And I’m like, “What? I don’t even know what you’re talking about.” And he, he was like, “You have to masturbate on camera.” and I’m like, “Absolutely not, not gonna happen.”

And then there’s more of all those stages of trauma. I did the fighting, I did the screaming, it didn’t help. And the threats got worse and worse. And when they brought my family into it, I would’ve done anything to get out of it at that point. And so I said, “Oh yeah, I’ll give you what you want.” So eventually in the morning, um, they’re like, “Okay, so we canceled your flight home. You’re gonna film the solo scene.” And I’m like, “You can kill me at this point. You can do whatever you want. I’m not, I’m not doing anything else.” And they had picked up another girl at that point and I told her she needed to run and she knew what she was there for. She’s not part of the case at all. And I was like, “No, you don’t understand. You need to get out of here.” And, and Andre, um, got more aggressive that day, tried other things. Uh, there was more physical and sexual trauma that day. And eventually when I just refused to comply and they knew they had another girl that was willing and ready. Um, they let me go to the airport that night.

Keri: Through the process. Um, did they force you to take any drugs or alcohol?

Jane Doe: Yes. Uh, after they forced me to sign the paperwork, they forced me to smoke marijuana and gave me four shots of vodka. Yeah. My, I, I can see it in my eyes. Like I look, I look dead inside and that’s exactly how I felt. Um, and then as soon as I got home, um, the video was all over the internet with my full, very unique name a week and a half, two weeks later, a lot more happened in that time. Um, I, I tried to call Michael Pratt at one point and say like, “Absolutely not.”

Garrett Jonsson: Once you were home?

Jane Doe: No. While I was, um, still at Andre’s.

Keri: Oh, you got your phone back?

Jane Doe: No, Andre, let me use his phone. Oh, because I wanted to talk to Pratt and Andre’s like, “Oh, we can talk about the solo video.” Um, and prat started going off on me saying, uh, “You’re you’re not as hot as we thought you were, your, body’s not as good as we thought you, as we thought it was. Um, we’re not gonna pay you anymore.” Yeah. A lot of degrading, a lot of swearing, lots of yelling. And I’m like, “Please, please just let me go home.” And I didn’t have my purse. Like I didn’t, I couldn’t make my flight home. I, I was trapped. I was terrified. I didn’t know how long I would be there. And yeah, by the time I got home, when I got picked up from the airport, I was so traumatized. I didn’t, I thought “As long as no one knows, as long as no one finds out, I can just bury it and hopefully it goes away.” And I, I did go to the doctor, um, within a few days and I had like terrible vaginal lacerations and the internal injuries, um, from the horrific rape, like it wasn’t just rough sex. It was complete abuse.

Garrett Jonsson: When you say that, if you just buried it, it would all go away. Was that the case? Did you try to bury it? Did it go?

Jane Doe: No. Uh, and even letting my family think the worst of me, which in my mind having my family think I was a porn star for years was the worst thing in my mind. Um,…

Garrett Jonsson: Worse than the abuse?

Jane Doe: Having, having them think I was a porn star. Yes. That was worse than the abuse in my mind, having them think the absolute worst of me, I still have, um, I have a big family and I still have moments at family gatherings where I I’ll feel like, “Oh, I, I should, I should just leave early. I, I don’t really feel welcome. I feel like I’m the, the screw up of the family.”

Garrett Jonsson: Goodness.

Jane Doe: Yeah. I’m still mending those relationships. Um, I have a, a lot of like deep-rooted anger and resentment, um, that no one like, could see the cry for help.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And I, I will be honest. I was very good at hiding it for a while. And then they were like, “Oh, she’s just so suicidal and drinking to numb and hurting herself because she’s so ashamed because she embarrassed our family so much. Cuz everyone knows.” Um, and like my dad’s friends had seen it. Like my parents had seen it.

Garrett Jonsson: Because it was on major porn sites.

Jane Doe: Yeah.

The link that everyone was getting was porn from Pornhub. And I thought, “Okay, I, I can do this for everyone. It’s better if they don’t know it’s harder on me, but I’m protecting them.” And I now like going on on dates or with friends or a lot of people in my life, I, I, I almost feel like I owe it to them to just tell them right away. Cause I’m like, “Oh, you’ll find out anyway.”

Garrett Jonsson: Mm.

Jane Doe: And I, I almost think, oh, once you find out you won’t wanna date me or you won’t wanna be being my friend because it’s this horrible, horrible thing. And I thought I owed it to them. I thought everyone…

Garrett Jonsson: You wanna contextualize it right off the GetGo, so they understand what happened?

Jane Doe: It’s more, I just like wanna warn them how broken I am sometimes now I like with the FBI trial there’s proof.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: So I can be like, no, I was human trafficked. Yes. There is a pornographic video of me out there. Here is the 20 year sentencing.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: But before there was proof, I thought, “No, one’s gonna believe me anyway.” So I might as well just warn everyone., “Yeah. There’s this awful thing. Yes, it was trafficking, but I, I didn’t feel like anyone would, would believe me anyway.” So I just kinda became a shell of my former self. I wasn’t like the gregarious, vivacious, bubbly girl. I was as a kid and growing up and I feel like they took that from me.

Garrett Jonsson: What was the timeframe from when it happened? It happened in January of 2016.

Jane Doe: Mhm.

Garrett Jonsson: And fast forward to the conviction of, of them being charged with sex trafficking. How many years was it between those two dates?

Jane Doe: Andre Garcia was just charged, um, in June of 2021. So it was years.

Garrett Jonsson: That’s five years.

Jane Doe: Yeah. I joined, um, the trial. It had already been going on for like a year. We had to merge two different, um, groups of girls. So I became Jane DOE 18. And um, that’s when I told my family, “Hey, I joined an FBI trial.” and they said, “Oh, you’re just embarrassed trying to get this off the internet. Huh?” And I’m like, “No, this is what happened.” During the sentencing. I didn’t let anyone come with me. I didn’t wanna put my mom through hearing about it. And she’s, she’s read the articles that, um, I wrote with you guys, but it, it took years to get to a place where I could even like talk about it. And it’s been six and a half years. And I feel like just since testifying against Andre Garcia last June. I feel like that gave me some of my life back.

Garrett Jonsson: Good.

Jane Doe: The harassment hasn’t lessened at all. I just kind of had to get stronger.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah. Has your mom and family increased their understanding and empathy as the convictions have come out and they better understand the situation?

Jane Doe: Yeah. I think having proof, um, it’s, it’s sad that it takes that.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: My family has been great and way more understanding. It’s more like friends, people, I, I knew growing up, they’re like, “Oh my gosh. I thought I knew you.” And, and now I can kind of say, or that one guy that stood me up, I can send him an article and be like, “There you go. You’re a jackass.”

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: And at the same time, I, I don’t blame people. Um, I know it is a lot of trauma. We do all have trauma. We all have things in our closets. Sometimes we’re just afraid to be ourselves.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And I really am trying to own it. Now that’s part of doing this podcast. I just wanna educate people. I wanna make sure this isn’t as taboo to talk about.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: I wanna reduce the stigmas against it. Um,…

Garrett Jonsson: As you’ve… do you mind if I interrupt?

Jane Doe: No, please do.

Garrett Jonsson: I was gonna say your initial response was to hide it right. And bury it absolutely act like it wasn’t never happened.

Jane Doe: Yeah. And just know that I had that trauma and carry it alone.

Garrett Jonsson: Right. And we know that’s not the best approach to trauma. Right? But it’s a natural instinct to want to do that.

Jane Doe: Absolutely.

Garrett Jonsson: I’m just curious how it’s been. How has it been for you to actually speak out about it, to own that that happened and if it’s been helpful to, to talk more about it?

Jane Doe: I think, uh, when I finally opened up to my family, I was terrified that they wouldn’t believe me.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: And I, I had the evidence at that point. Um, and since I opened up to them, it’s gotten easier. Um, mostly since we put Garcia away for 20 years.

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: I couldn’t, uh, I was the only girl that hadn’t written her statement, every single girl that was there that testified, emailed their statement to the judge or brought it handwritten and had it ready. I, um, typed mine out on the, my phone in my hand while the first couple of girls, uh, were testifying and I, I waited in a different room, um, where it was on a big video monitor, so I could see what was going on. I was like halfway through. So I didn’t even know what I was gonna say. I didn’t even really know if I could do it and I didn’t have anyone there supporting me, um, should have brought Cozi. Darn it. That would’ve been really nice. Would’ve been helpful. I had, yeah, I had stitches on my arms. I had just tried to die a, a week before.

Garrett Jonsson: Wow.

Jane Doe: So I, I didn’t even know if I could do it. And I think that that was one of the proudest moments of my life. Um, there was a lot of, a lot of women had anger and hatred and resentment and they have every right. And a lot of people said, um, “You’re incapable of change.” And…

Garrett Jonsson: Wait, who’s incapable of change?

Jane Doe: Uh, Andre Garcia.

Garrett Jonsson: Oh yeah.

Jane Doe: Yeah. And he, um, he wouldn’t like make eye contact with us. And, and I asked the judge at one point at the end of my testimony, if I could address him. And I said, and I, I was like really grateful that I could even, I, that I had the capacity to even feel this way. I said, “It’s not up to me to judge the worth of your soul, but I, I truly hope that you do change one day.” And the only reason I testified was so that he couldn’t keep hurting girls. That’s the only reason I’m here today so that we can educate people. Um, but that, uh, since that moment it’s been easier to talk about.

Garrett Jonsson: Good.

Jane Doe: I think going through every detail, writing the articles, um, with you guys, it, it was validating and, and it does help me heal because we still have, I still have the guilt. I still, um, crave validation. I don’t even realize that sometimes. Uh,…

Garrett Jonsson: Well, that’s human nature.

Jane Doe: Yeah. It really is. Um, and, and as a nurse, sometimes the best thing I can do is sit there and hold someone’s hand and let them talk about it. I think a lot of the times when we have friends or family, you say, “Hey, I’m struggling.” And they, and they automatically say, “Oh, well go exercise.” Or like last night I was having a hard time because of, um…

Garrett Jonsson: Because of today?

Jane Doe: Because of the Wolfe. There was, um, there was, there was some articles posted and it just automatically says, like, this is what happened to all of these girls and being lumped in there being called a porn star, being, uh, things that say, like, we got awarded millions of dollars in this settlement. Like I’ve never seen a dime of that money. Um, I’ve never done any of this for money. I… like hospital bills therapy. It’s all ridiculously expensive. They’ve ruined our lives in so many different ways. But, uh, just being like reminded of that, yes, he pled guilty. Uh, he should have years ago, uh, Andre Garcia got 20 years. Some women thought he should have gotten life. It is validating. I’m grateful that we have a justice system that does listen to us and that we are seeing some justice, but every time, uh, a trial comes up, the harassment ramps up.

It’s reposted. I I’ve had disgusting messages the past couple of weeks. Um, I’ll probably change my phone number again soon. And it’s something that I just have to prepare myself for. That’s I’m not using my name, um, today in this, because I don’t wanna make this about me. I wanna, I wanna give all of the other girls the amount of compassion that they deserve. This isn’t about me. It’s about telling this story of what these men did. And this is my personal story, but we all had awful trauma. We all have to deal with it. We all got lumped into these categories. We’re considered the “JDs”, the “GDP girls”. And there’s like Reddit feeds calling us all sorts of things like, “Oh, they’re just trying to Sue Pornhub to get more money.” And it’s like, “What money?”

Garrett Jonsson: Yeah.

Jane Doe: I’ve never seen that. Uh, “Thank you for harassing us more.”

Garrett Jonsson: Right. I just want to say if at some point you do receive money- that’s justice.

Jane Doe: Yeah. It would help pay for therapy.

Garrett Jonsson: Right.

Jane Doe: And things that these women desperate.

Garrett Jonsson: That’s how it works.

Jane Doe: Yeah. They hid all of their assets though. I think that that’s something that is good for people to actually know that that first lawsuit we did where we did Sue GDP, we’ve never seen a dime from it. And like, who knows if we ever will.

Keri: Yeah.

Garrett Jonsson: When you say JDP? Oh, you mean GDP?

Jane Doe: Yeah. GDP.

Keri: Well there’s um, in court documents, there’s evidence that Michael Pratt said “When I bankrupt this company, these girls are f*cked.”

Jane Doe: Yes. So he did declare bankruptcy before, um, fleeing.

Garrett Jonsson: That was Wolfe or Pratt?

Keri: That was Pratt.

Jane Doe: That was Pratt. And, and I remember, yeah. And our lawyers have, have said, like, “We, we think he’s hidden. All of his assets offshore or it’s in cryptocurrency or whatever.” So we, we, we’ve just kind of accepted, like I never went into it for that. I went into it to fight for other women.

Garrett Jonsson: We are grateful that you’re doing that.

Jane Doe: Thank you.

Garrett Jonsson: The world’s a better place because you’re doing that.

Jane Doe: It’s getting, yeah, it’s getting easier and easier to talk about.

Keri: I think it’s important to note too, that y’all are not just going after this from a legal standpoint, you also fought as soon as the videos were posted with take down requests.

Jane Doe: Oh yeah, I do that still constantly.

Keri: Right.

And so you’re not this isn’t a monetary gain thing. This is also like you’re fighting for your own dignity to have these videos of your exploitation, taken it down. And all women have, what was the response like? And when was the first time that you tried to have a takedown request for all these mainstream tube sites?

Jane Doe: Oh yeah.

Keri: Were those requests ever listened to?

Jane Doe: That’s? Yeah, it’s a really good question. Um, the first request I sent was to Pornhub because that was the first place I saw it. Um, I didn’t get a response. Uh, it wasn’t taken down. And then I, I realized, um, once I was sent more and more and more links and once more people were showing it to me, once I made the mistake of Googling myself, I kind of realized it’s like a, a drop in a bucket at that point. I did send out, I still do this. I still make the mistake of Googling myself. Um, when I feel strong, I usually do it like once a month right now, which is why I, I know it was just recently reposted a few weeks ago. Um, I think I’ve managed to probably get it taken off of four websites, um,

Keri: Permanently?

Jane Doe: You can still Google it. It still shows up on like a thumbnail. The image is still there. I keep trying to get Google to take those down. And I did participate in a, um, illicit image study with Google. Um, they are trying to improve their system, but like there’s drop a bucket. There’s horrible pornography all over the internet. And the more I try to get mine taken down, I feel like the more it surfaces, even though I own the legal rights and yeah, most websites don’t listen. Most website have a more pornographic websites will have like a contact us at the bottom. Um, and so I’ll send the link and, and say, “Hey, this is illegal. This was human trafficking. This was against my will. I have court documents proving it.” I’ll attach those if I need to, um, one of the girls had wrote out like a really good outline that we could just start sending. Um, but I realize like the more I look it up, the sicker I get. And so I have just had to get stronger. It happened six and a half years ago. Some, some women, it happened over nine years ago too. And it’s still reposted constantly.

Keri: And I mean, a huge part of that is because for so long tube site culture has been, you can upload anything and download anything. And after Nicholas Kristoff, The Children of Pornhub article in December, 2020.

Jane Doe: Yeah, I read that.

Keri: The Visa, MasterCard, and Discover, um, we’re going to sever their, um, their working relationship with Pornhub.

Jane Doe: Thank goodness.

Keri: Yeah, that was when Pornhub said, “Oh, okay, well, we’ll take down this. We’ll we’ll, uh, we’ll remove the download option and try to verify more of these, um, accounts and sites. And content, but X videos, which is the largest porn tube site in the whole world. They get about 3 billion visitors every single month.

Jane Doe: Yeah. I’ve seen my video on both of those.

Keri: They still have a download button.

Jane Doe: Yes they do.

Keri: And this is something that a lot of people don’t understand is once something is uploaded to these tube sites, YouTube it’s it’s you have to go through multiple steps to download content from YouTube. you can still do it.

Jane Doe: That’s very true.

Keri: But porn tube sites give you the button right there.

Jane Doe: Yeah. Or you can just screen record on your, your computer or your phone.

Keri: Exactly.

Jane Doe: And so people think, yeah. “Oh, um, they’re, they’re so greedy asking for more when they have the ownership rights, when the reality is…

Jane Doe: That’s what’s so upsetting.

Keri: … it’s a game of whackamole.

Jane Doe: Yeah. That’s that’s the, “The money hungry hores.” There’s a, a big Reddit. Uh, what are they called? Reddit thread? I don’t have Reddit, but I I’ve seen some really disgusting things on there about this trial. Um, using people’s names, links to videos on other sites. Reddit. Hasn’t done anything about taking those down. And they, they post our, our personal information constantly. Like my parents have received letters saying, “We’re gonna come into your home and rape your daughter and murder her.” And it’s like, that’s my parents. I had, I found a, a fan page for myself.

Keri: “Oh no.”

Jane Doe: That had pictures of me with my nieces and nephews, pictures of me growing up, uh, pictures of my family of, of one of my weddings, um, pictures of Cozi. I, I think that disgusted me more than anything that they are they’re, they’re not only hurting us individually. They’re wrecking our, our families. People have disowned their kids over this and not everyone, uh, believes it. Even though we’ve been working with the FBI, even though we have won lawsuits, we have had some justice, but it’s still, “Oh, oh, money, money, hungry hores.” “They’re they’re just porn stars.”, “They just want more.”, “They just, oh, they’re just embarrassed that it got so big.”, but that’s not true at all. That’s never been true.

Garrett Jonsson: Going back to the name of the podcast Consider Before Consuming. We hope that our listeners stop the demand for sex trafficking by refusing to consume pornography. And one of the things that needs to be considered is what you are consuming may not be consensual.

Jane Doe: Even when it looks consensual.

Garrett Jonsson: Do you want to take a break?

Jane Doe: Yeah, that’d be great.

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